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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 09:52 pm |
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C.C. Milani wrote: Heretic wrote:
It's like Hogan and Flair have opposite problems. Hogan's destroyed his reputation because he won't job to anyone. Flair's destroyed his reputation because there's nobody he won't job to.
It's actually the same problem- ego.
Hogan wouldn't job because he felt he needed to dominate to be strong.
Flair did jobs and made jobbers look ridiculously good in TV matches because he felt like his persona (or whatever) was so strong that he could give someone like Mike Jackson 75% of the offense on TV and he'd still be OK.
Hogan was closer to "being right" on this one. To the average fan in the 80's, Hogan was far better than Flair, and thus the WWF was better than the NWA.
It's just different organizational philosophies of what the World champion should be. The WWF always pushed a strong babyface champ who showed some vulnerability from time to time but for the most part dominated for years on end. The NWA had a touring heel champ who had to make all the local babyfaces look good to pop houses in each territory and get the fans to think that their local boy was really the best in the world and had gotten screwed. I don't think that Flair giving guys tons of offense had anything to do with ego, and whatever he did obviously worked for him since he always DID stay strong despite the beatings.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 06:57 pm |
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from pwinsider.com
At the book signing last night (at Mall Of America in Minnesota), Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart lead the crowd in chants of HOGAN! HOGAN! and TNA! TNA! TNA! and had it filmed by a lady for "TV" as Jimmy Hart put it.
Also Hogan stated that he decided to get back into the business and "run TNA" during his opening statement to the fans.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:39 am |
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bpickering wrote: from pwinsider.com
Also Hogan stated that he decided to get back into the business and "run TNA" during his opening statement to the fans.
He and Bischoff "ran" WCW too, and look what happened there. TNHA is fucked....I sure hope(and Im almost certainly wrong here), they didnt give Hogan any "creative control", and if so, we wont see him bringing back past guys to fix the losses against them he has, ala WCW?
Like i said before..Sting is so fucked.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:40 am |
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stingmark wrote: bpickering wrote: from pwinsider.com
Also Hogan stated that he decided to get back into the business and "run TNA" during his opening statement to the fans.
He and Bischoff "ran" WCW too, and look what happened there. TNHA is fucked....I sure hope(and Im almost certainly wrong here), they didnt give Hogan any "creative control", and if so, we wont see him bringing back past guys to fix the losses against them he has, ala WCW?
Like i said before..Sting is so fucked.
Well Sting's last date was Bound For Glory and although it was assumed he'd be back, there's never been any guarantee. He could be gone anyway. There's still the annual speculation about him getting that 1 WWE run, a WM match, a DVD, and a HOF induction.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:47 am |
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srossi wrote:
Well Sting's last date was Bound For Glory and although it was assumed he'd be back, there's never been any guarantee. He could be gone anyway. There's still the annual speculation about him getting that 1 WWE run, a WM match, a DVD, and a HOF induction.
You have a better chance of Warrior showing up in WWE then Sting showing up there. What purpose would it serve for him to do that? Vince would benefit more from all of that, then Sting would.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:52 am |
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stingmark wrote: srossi wrote:
Well Sting's last date was Bound For Glory and although it was assumed he'd be back, there's never been any guarantee. He could be gone anyway. There's still the annual speculation about him getting that 1 WWE run, a WM match, a DVD, and a HOF induction.
You have a better chance of Warrior showing up in WWE then Sting showing up there. What purpose would it serve for him to do that? Vince would benefit more from all of that, then Sting would.
You mean other than money and more than 50 fans in the arenas? No, I can't imagine what WWE would have to offer that TNA can't.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:07 am |
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srossi wrote: stingmark wrote: srossi wrote:
Well Sting's last date was Bound For Glory and although it was assumed he'd be back, there's never been any guarantee. He could be gone anyway. There's still the annual speculation about him getting that 1 WWE run, a WM match, a DVD, and a HOF induction.
You have a better chance of Warrior showing up in WWE then Sting showing up there. What purpose would it serve for him to do that? Vince would benefit more from all of that, then Sting would.
You mean other than money and more than 50 fans in the arenas? No, I can't imagine what WWE would have to offer that TNA can't.
How would a WWEHOF induction benefit Sting in any way? It wouldn't, it would simply happen(if it did) for Vince to make $$$ off of. Sting doesn't want to go to the WWE, he's said that repeatedly. Vince would probabaly demand Sting sign over his likeness, or the "Sting/Scorpion" trademark in order for him to go there? Sting wouldn't do that, and has said that repeatedly too. So, Vince would benefit more from Sting coming over, than Sting would. Plus, you can best bet, any "title shots/runs" he does have, will be fucked up somehow, and he'll get punked, because as we all know Vince punks everyone eventually. He's done it to: Hogan/Bret/Jake/Flair/Warrior/etc...why? so he can make money from them, Sting is no different. He's just smarter. Besides...I don't think Sting cares about a HOF induction, certainly not one from the WWE of all places. He doesn't need $$ either, I read a few places that WCW (Vince) ended up paying him some huge lump sum of $$$ he had been owed for many years.
Like I said, you have a better shot of Warrior showing up in WWE, than Sting. And neither will happen.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:32 am |
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One thing that would benefit Sting by going to WWE is that they would probably release a Best of Sting DVD that he would get royalties off of.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 06:39 am |
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sek69 wrote: One thing that would benefit Sting by going to WWE is that they would probably release a Best of Sting DVD that he would get royalties off of.
True, but he wouldnt have to go to the WWE for that to happen? Vince can release that now, he'd just have to send Sting some cash as well. True VKM owns the footage, but anytime Sting would be on the DVD, he'd have to be paid for it..... Last edited on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 07:52 am by stingmark
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 08:36 pm |
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stingmark wrote: I read a few places that WCW (Vince) ended up paying him some huge lump sum of $$$ he had been owed for many years.
Why would Vince have paid him anything? All he purchased was trademarks and a video library, nothing else.
AOL/Time Warner may have, but certainly not Vince. He didn't buy ANY liabilities.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 07:58 pm |
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Chris OtL wrote: stingmark wrote: I read a few places that WCW (Vince) ended up paying him some huge lump sum of $$$ he had been owed for many years.
Why would Vince have paid him anything? All he purchased was trademarks and a video library, nothing else.
AOL/Time Warner may have, but certainly not Vince. He didn't buy ANY liabilities.
You might be right. I was assuming that since Vince bought out the company, he was responsible for paying Sting what he was owed? I guess Turner did?
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 08:48 pm |
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stingmark wrote:
Chris OtL wrote: stingmark wrote: I read a few places that WCW (Vince) ended up paying him some huge lump sum of $$$ he had been owed for many years.
Why would Vince have paid him anything? All he purchased was trademarks and a video library, nothing else.
AOL/Time Warner may have, but certainly not Vince. He didn't buy ANY liabilities.
You might be right. I was assuming that since Vince bought out the company, he was responsible for paying Sting what he was owed? I guess Turner did?
Turner/Time Warner was on the books for the WCW contracts Vince didn't pick up.
Flair, Goldberg, and Sting were still being paid. There is someone else and for some reason I'm thinking it's Alex Wright who has never worked since because WCW was dumb enough to sign him to a big contract and Wright was one of the few smart enough to put it to proper use.
There were a few other names, but those are the ones who immediately spring to mind.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 08:54 pm |
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WWE (through a subsidiary they established called WCW, Inc.) picked up all of the pertinent assets, including the trademarks, copyrights, video library, and the contracts of 24 midcard performers, all of which had a 90 day review cycle.
All of the performers with guaranteed contracts continued to be paid by the Turner/Time Warner subsidiary called Universal Wrestling Corp. (formerly World Championship Wrestling, Inc.). I believe the only performers who opted to take a buyout of their guaranteed contracts to come to the WWF and be a part of "Shane McMahon's WCW" were DDP, Booker T., Buff Bagwell, and Billy Kidman. They also brought in Torrie Wilson, who had already been released from WCW sometime prior to the sale to the WWF.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:22 pm |
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DJP wrote: WWE (through a subsidiary they established called WCW, Inc.) picked up all of the pertinent assets, including the trademarks, copyrights, video library, and the contracts of 24 midcard performers, all of which had a 90 day review cycle.
All of the performers with guaranteed contracts continued to be paid by the Turner/Time Warner subsidiary called Universal Wrestling Corp. (formerly World Championship Wrestling, Inc.). I believe the only performers who opted to take a buyout of their guaranteed contracts to come to the WWF and be a part of "Shane McMahon's WCW" were DDP, Booker T., Buff Bagwell, and Billy Kidman. They also brought in Torrie Wilson, who had already been released from WCW sometime prior to the sale to the WWF.
Did Kanyon take a buyout, or was he a free agent? He wasn't part of the group of 24, if I recall correctly.
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Posted: Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 10:44 pm |
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tofu_chipmunk wrote: DJP wrote: WWE (through a subsidiary they established called WCW, Inc.) picked up all of the pertinent assets, including the trademarks, copyrights, video library, and the contracts of 24 midcard performers, all of which had a 90 day review cycle.
All of the performers with guaranteed contracts continued to be paid by the Turner/Time Warner subsidiary called Universal Wrestling Corp. (formerly World Championship Wrestling, Inc.). I believe the only performers who opted to take a buyout of their guaranteed contracts to come to the WWF and be a part of "Shane McMahon's WCW" were DDP, Booker T., Buff Bagwell, and Billy Kidman. They also brought in Torrie Wilson, who had already been released from WCW sometime prior to the sale to the WWF.
Did Kanyon take a buyout, or was he a free agent? He wasn't part of the group of 24, if I recall correctly.
You're right, he wasn't. I can't remember if he was still under contract or not.
I also just remembered that they later brought in Kronik for a cup of coffee, but I can't recall if they were part of the WCW faction or not.
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