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 Posted: Fri Jan 15th, 2010 01:10 am
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carpetbeggar wrote: tamalie wrote:
Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.


10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.


Out of all the ones you listed I find this one the most bizarre. I wonder why Greg Valentine was in his corner?
Were they thinking of putting Greg with the Spoiler and call them the Dream Team before going with Beefcake?
When was The Spoiler's last appearance for the company?

I have this episode on tape and Valentine wasn't really in The Spoiler's corner. Lou Albano was managing the Spoiler and he asked for Valentine to make an appearance since Valentine had won the IC title not that long before this episode. Valentine wasn't out there that long.



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The whole thing with Piper seemed to spread him too thin.  Some say this was due to Snuka's drug problems.  There was the potential for a big and lasting feud, but Snuka's dependability became a major issue for the WWF to plan around.

But, even before that, when Piper first arrived, there was the stable known as "Piper's Primetime" and he was the voice behind the pushes of guys like Orndorff and Shultz. He put this guys way over and jacked up the heat for all of them.  It is said he put into the managerial position due to the death of the Grand Wizard, but it would have been a great angle had they left Piper as manager.  It could have been comparable to the Four Horsemen stable.  They would have been the arch-enemies to Hogan, building for the climatic showdown between Hogan and Piper. 

Piper was involved with Snuka one week then it seemed he jumped into a feud with Rocky Johnson.  The Andre thing coccured with the "Don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun" but then it fizzled and then later revisited. On the side this whole time, he was still gunning for Hogan. 

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silentkiller wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: tamalie wrote:
Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.


10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.


Out of all the ones you listed I find this one the most bizarre. I wonder why Greg Valentine was in his corner?
Were they thinking of putting Greg with the Spoiler and call them the Dream Team before going with Beefcake?
When was The Spoiler's last appearance for the company?

I have this episode on tape and Valentine wasn't really in The Spoiler's corner. Lou Albano was managing the Spoiler and he asked for Valentine to make an appearance since Valentine had won the IC title not that long before this episode. Valentine wasn't out there that long.

Cool, I hear ya. Thanks for the info as I've never seen this episode or heard about Valentine being out there. I forgot about him being in the IC title picture at that time too so I'm quite a ways before the time he would have been started to be pushed towards the tag-team division with the Dream Team.
Anyone know though what was the date and arena where him and Beefcake first teamed up and were the called the Dream Team that first time together or did if come later down the line?

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Wasn't Piper initially brought into the WWF as a manager since he could obviously talk but was considered too small to be a main event guy?


Also the Spoiler as National Champion thing was just an offshoot of Black Friday, he held the belt in Georgia. I guess they wanted some continuity for the fans seeing a whole new group of wrestlers on TV.



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an interesting thing I have noticed is the complete difference in the crowd makeup once they moved the tapings to the Mid_Hudson Arena.  Almost overnight and all of a sudden, there were a ton of kids and teenagers all acting crazy as opposed to the pretty tame "lifers" that used to populate Hamburg and Allentown.  It was at this time that Joe McHugh ceased to do the ring announcing as well.

Those Poughkeepsie crowds were insane and off the wall, especially for Hogan and Snuka.  There would be groups of Guido Mullets with no shirts for chrissakes....It was really a big change and I remember at the time not liking it very much and missing the familiar fieldhouse.

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Bix wrote: I'm curious as to where he got the Superstars results (other than 4/10/84, which I sent him based on the one full show I have), since I haven't seen any episodes floating around, unless the show was being rebadged in St. Louis as Wrestling At The Chase by that point and whoever sent the results was going by those, which are easier to find.

I take it that you don't know when Superstars started other than that it was launched with the expansion at some point in '84?  I remember reading a book that mentioned the launch of the show but I can't remember what it was.

I saw Superstars in the NY market in the spring of 1984. If I had to gues when it first appeared I would say about mid March of 84, and I know it ran throught he summer. LIke you said, much of it was repeat stuff from Kiel TV and so on, plus the studio-looking interviews and a few exclusive Piper's Pits. On a couple of episodes Howard Finkel conducted the interviews.

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I never researched into the Hamburg TV tapings after April of 1983.  Up to that point they were still doing the same formula for their box adds.  Hamburg results were always found in the Reading Eagle for years and years till Septembe 1971, when they switched to the TV tapings. Also they moved the schedule to every 3 weeks.  All results stopped then.

Using google search,  if you put in the newspaper name of  "Reading Eagle" and then search for Sports or news or any thing simple like that, You will then be a able to search for the Hamburg TV box adds.

I searched out the Hamburg TV adds for the 1970's off of microfilm years ago.  If you have the TV taping date which was always on a wednesday, You want to look at the previous Sundays paper.  Pick the correct date, then just browse through their newspaper and you will locate the box add for the TV tapings.  99% of the time it was in the Sunday paper for the following Wednesday show.  Thier sports section is not that big, and you can do a years worth of Hamburg TV tapings in no time at all.  Like lots of papers out thier, searching for wrestling or searching for a wrestling name will give you spotty results or a lot of the times none.  Some papers you must search manually with out searching out anything on wrestling or their names.

Reason for putting in sports or news for the search is that when you find your adds, you will not have the yellow highlights, if you are saving them or printing them out.  Also it will give you more results so you can pick the dates or do daily searches for your information.

As for Poughkeepsie, NY..  When I researched that venue for in the 1970's, they were already running on a 3 week schedule also.  So moving the tapings to another arena on a 3 week schedule I could undestand.   Hamburg, PA was NOT a large town.  THe audience came from Allentown and Reading, besides the smaller towns in the area.

Vince J McMahon was based in the lower part of his territory.  Washington, DC, Phila, Baltimore, Hamburg, Allentown for all his TV tapings.  Vince K lived in or around Yartmouth, MA, with him and Linda operating out of his basement.  Then they moved to Conneticuit.   So naturally I can see Vince K moving the heart of his TV tapings and etc a lot closer to his main market.  Moving the tapings to a more populated city would mean more kids were available to see his show for the correct age group he was marketing for.  The middle to upper northeast was more populated and had more shows than Pennsylvania and Maryland had going for years and years.

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tamalie wrote:

Good call on Championship being a mess. I think the problems began partly when they left Allentown for Poughkeepsie. This may be incorrect, but did they miss a taping somewhere along the line when the switch was made? The historyofwwe.com shows the last Allentown taping as having occurred on 6/19/84 and the final Hamburg taping was on 6/20/84. The first Canadian taping was on 7/10/84, but the first Poughkeepsie taping appears to not have happened until 7/31/84. 


There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.


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Regarding Johnny Valiant managing the Spoiler, he mentioned during his 1st appearance with the Spoiler that he had acquired the Spoiler from Lou Albano.

Bobby Heenan made his debut at the 9/84 MSG show announced by John Studd as his new manager.



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Jason Rock wrote: There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.

Were the matches the same as the ones on All-Star or did they double up on Brantford tapings?

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Bix wrote: Jason Rock wrote: There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.

Were the matches the same as the ones on All-Star or did they double up on Brantford tapings?



Not 100% sure because I don't have the All-Star episodes for those weeks. But I do know they had another taping in Canada around the same time I think in Montreal...which was the start of WWF Maple Leaf Wrestling. Not sure if some of those matches were shown on All-Star as well or not. 

Here is what aired on the first Maple Leaf show on 6/30/84:
Maple Leaf Wrestling - 6/30/84 - featured Gene Okerlund & Billy Red Lyons on commentary:
Paul Orndorff pinned Billy Travis at 4:23 with the piledriver
Big John Studd defeated Frenchy La Rock & Billy Carbo in a handicap match at 2:30 by pinning La Rock with a clothesline; prior to the bout, Big John Studd offered his $10,000 bodyslam challenge to a local wrestler, Mr. P, but P failed; after the bout, Gene Okerlund conducted a ringside interview with Studd, with WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan interrupting and accepting Studd's bodyslam challenge; Studd then left ringside because Hogan didn't bring the title belt with him
Ivan Putski pinned Tiger Chung Lee with the Polish Hammer at 6:20
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Rene Goulet in a non-title match at 5:07 with the legdrop

I do know that a lot of the matches from the 1st Brantford taping aired on TBS when WWF took over the GCW timeslot.

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Did that show air in the US at all on All-Star and/or the recap shows or only as MLW?

There's a tape/DVD of that episode available, isn't there?  I remember it being one of the things people got from TorontoDave back in the day.  I'd love to see it.

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RE: Championship Wrestling venue change:

Didn't they air a couple of matches from the Philadelphia Spectrum too on the shows?

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Some Spectrum matches definitely made World Championship Wrestling, definitely the first episode with the Studd vs. Bobo match.

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Did you guys know that Piper's Pit was an accident? Or at least, it was far from planned out.

They interviewed Piper on one of the "WWF Magazine Corner" (or whatever they called it) segments and announced that Piper would be penning a column called "Piper's Pit" for the magazine. After the segment Piper came up with an idea- he approached McMahon and suggested that he do the interviews the way he did them on WTBS in 1982, and call the segment "Piper's Pit". They gave it a try and struck gold.

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