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 Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 03:29 am
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Did you like the guy?

Did you not care for the guy?

Good booker?

Best period or territory for him?

What has been doing recently?

Was he "close" with Barnett from GCW?

Anything else on Gary Hart?

I liked Hart from what I seen of him in Georgia with Kabuki, but he was basically a manager of one wrestler and that was it. 

 

 



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 Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 03:42 am
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Gary Hart was the guy who booked the beginning of the Von Erichs/Freebirds feud until Frtiz stiffed him on pay.

Also he was manager of the J-Tex stable  that feuded with the Horsemen in WCW, which was one of those things people forget about but when reminded are all "hey that was pretty awesome".



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 Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 06:03 am
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I'm a Gary Hart fan...

I'm partial to Hart in World Class in 1985 with One Man Gang and 1987 with Al Perez.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 11:58 am
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I am a big fan....I think one of the most underrated managers.

He was a great booker IMO...he knew what the fans wanted and had a great mind for the bussness..

The only thing bad I have to say about him is I thought he was one of the worst sellers...



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Gary was an amazing manager.  He is one of my 3 biggest influences in my managerial style. I think Gary excelled in smaller territories if that makes any sense. I think WCW lost him and had no clue what to do with him. Not that that is anything really new.  But when Hart was in smaller territories he was awesome.  I think its a thing of Gary being able to connect with the fans when on a more intimate level. At any rate my opinion is that he was one of THE BEST managers ever.

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 Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 02:47 pm
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Papa Voo wrote:
Did you like the guy?
Yes. He was very underrated as has been said, probably because he was not as flashy as others. I always thought he came across more how a manager would really act if wrestling wasn't a work.

Good booker?
I would say yes. He booked similar to his managerial style. Not real flashy, more old school "realistic" style.

Best period or territory for him?
Some territories he worked in were Australia in '72, where he did a "mama's boy" rich kid gimmick similar to what Cornette would do a decade later. He did very well in Florida, and Texas and I guess gained a lot of his notoriety from working in those areas. Also did well in Mid South,Georgia, and Mid Atlantic, mostly with Kabuki in those areas. Later in WCW as has been mentioned.

Was he "close" with Barnett from GCW?
If I get the way you are hinting, no. I've never heard anything like that.

Anything else on Gary Hart?
Kind of a funny thing, I have a match from '61 or so Chicago "Wrestling Champions" Tv where Gary is billed as "Gay" Gary Hart. The context back then was "a good time, party, playboy" type guy, and not the way the term is thought of today.

 

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I didnt like him at the time but I like his work a lot now in retrospect.  That proves how good he was, I guess.

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I always kind of dug him.  He was a serious heel manager.  Totally opposite to a Bobby Heenan, but just as effective. 

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He never had the best stable of wrestlers but I liked him with Muta alot. I liked that he wear a suit and tie ("a manager")

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He had his own style, sorta like the Maked Superstar did in interviews, very realistic, never the BIG threat that can't be followed through on.

He always seemed to be threatening the faces but not with nonsense, with factual things that got his guy over, but still gave the face a little credibillity.


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I enoyed his work as a manager (and sometimes wrestler) here in Texas.  Much more cerebral than Akbar, Cornette, et al. A decent booker as well. Also booked San Antonio after Blanchard left (and killed the promotion..on purpose).



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What is the story about him killing the promotion?  I do not remember hearig about that.

I thought Hart's interviews were great.  His voice was soft but it got intense, and sometimes he would add humor and downplay an upcoming feud with a major face.  I wish I could have seen more of the guy. 



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I really liked him as a manager. The only thing I don't like is his no-selling and the way he's never scared to take even the best and baddest babyfaces head on. I never got that, but other than that, I loved his style. The being fearless of the babyfaces wouldn't be so bad either, if he would sell for them when they hit him.

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I actually think his understated way of selling was a strength of Harts.  It set him apart from the other ranting and raving managers.   He had that evil genius quality.  I was all set to say that his best work, imo was in GWC but then I reminded of his work with the Four Horsemen.  I really enjoyed that run.

I have never heard any rumors about him being "close" to Barnett.  Did Hart have sugar in his pants?

 

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BayouBoogie wrote: I really liked him as a manager. The only thing I don't like is his no-selling and the way he's never scared to take even the best and baddest babyfaces head on. I never got that, but other than that, I loved his style. The being fearless of the babyfaces wouldn't be so bad either, if he would sell for them when they hit him.I always thought he patterened himself after the Chicago Outfit guys from Cicero or down in Calumet City who if need be could fuck you up 7 ways to Sunday if they had too; but realized that the money was in having others do it for them.  I think if the announcers played up his street cred it could explain why he no-sold shots.  Though I think he overstepped the boundaries of no selling far to often. 

edit...I realized I put some local references for my point. but guys to generalize, he was the quasi manager of the local strip club that you always heard that was mob owned or was connected. You saw him and wondered why he ran the place and etc.  That was Gary Hart the real bad motherfucker that ran shit...the mild mannered smooth talking, real man from the streets who knew what a bag ran, but never touched, how much bj ran but never  paid, the man who drove the drove top brougham in a Chicago winter.

Last edited on Sun Feb 17th, 2008 04:40 am by mrwaukegan

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