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 Posted: Wed Feb 29th, 2012 02:14 pm
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The Bret Hart opinion thread made me remember something that stuck with me from Bret's book. I don't know if it was ever discussed much, in comparison to other stories, but this particular chapter of Bret's life always struck me as strange.

It has to do with his brother Dean's death from kidney failure.

In the book, Bret describes Dean as being his hero and someone he looked up to. However, when Dean was on his deathbed, none of his siblings were willing to donate one of there organs to save their brother's life.

I don't have the book in front of me, and it has been a couple years since I read it, but I remember the reasons Bret gave for his unwillingness to save his brother.

1. If he donated a kidney he would not be able to continue wresting.

2. He defended his reason by insinuating that Dean was kind of a shady character, Making it seem like he was not worth the trouble to save.

It all seems so surreal to me that Bret and his siblings could let their brother die when his life could have been saved.

This part comes from Wikipedia:
His sister, Diana Hart, stated in her book that had any members of the Hart family been tested as a compatible donor, a kidney transplant might have saved his life. However, this option was never discussed by the family
Maybe there are circumstances that I don't know about, but this kind of makes them look like a pretty shitty family.


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 Posted: Wed Feb 29th, 2012 02:27 pm
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I'm not sure if they're a shitty family, but they are one very fucked up family.

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IIRC, Bret talked about "looking up" to his brother when he was really small BECAUSE Dean was shady.  He was the cooler bad boy older brother that a small child will gravitate towards, but once he got older I don't think he, or anyone else in the family, liked or respected him at all.  The book is filled with stories about Dean being a screw-up and a con-man.  It just doesn't seem like anyone liked him enough to make such a huge sacrifice for him.  Bret and Owen went on to become huge stars and Bruce probably still has delusions of making it big to this day, so no one was going to give up their careers and millions of dollars (real or imagined) for him. 



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srossi wrote: IIRC, Bret talked about "looking up" to his brother when he was really small BECAUSE Dean was shady.  He was the cooler bad boy older brother that a small child will gravitate towards, but once he got older I don't think he, or anyone else in the family, liked or respected him at all.  The book is filled with stories about Dean being a screw-up and a con-man.  It just doesn't seem like anyone liked him enough to make such a huge sacrifice for him.  Bret and Owen went on to become huge stars and Bruce probably still has delusions of making it big to this day, so no one was going to give up their careers and millions of dollars (real or imagined) for him.
I don't know. Still seems shitty (or fucked up) that people would put personal wealth above the life of a family member.

Even taking Bret and Owen (and Bruce) out of the equation, there was not one person out of the remaining siblings who could be bothered to even get tested to see if they were a match? Was Dean really that irredeemable that they felt no guilt about tossing him in the garbage, so to speak?

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TXM wrote: srossi wrote: IIRC, Bret talked about "looking up" to his brother when he was really small BECAUSE Dean was shady.  He was the cooler bad boy older brother that a small child will gravitate towards, but once he got older I don't think he, or anyone else in the family, liked or respected him at all.  The book is filled with stories about Dean being a screw-up and a con-man.  It just doesn't seem like anyone liked him enough to make such a huge sacrifice for him.  Bret and Owen went on to become huge stars and Bruce probably still has delusions of making it big to this day, so no one was going to give up their careers and millions of dollars (real or imagined) for him.
I don't know. Still seems shitty (or fucked up) that people would put personal wealth above the life of a family member.

Even taking Bret and Owen (and Bruce) out of the equation, there was not one person out of the remaining siblings who could be bothered to even get tested to see if they were a match? Was Dean really that irredeemable that they felt no guilt about tossing him in the garbage, so to speak?

I don't think anyone's ever accused the Harts of being the tightest-knit family in the world.  They had a pretty good public reputation for years, but most of that was shattered after Owen's death and the secrets started coming out.  In general everyone seemed to like Owen and no one really liked Dean, and everyone else in the family formed their cliques and had their rivals.  Dean was the black sheep in a family that was already fucked up, so I can't say I'm too surprised.

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Maybe Dean was like James Sawyer from LOST and they knew that if they donated one like John Locke did, it'd be due to a con.




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DaNkinator wrote: Maybe Dean was like James Sawyer from LOST and they knew that if they donated one like John Locke did, it'd be due to a con.





Or, if Dean was as shady as was implied, he could have gotten a kidney off the black market. The hotel bathtub filled with ice seems like a golden ticket idea.

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I think also when you have a family that big you typically aren't as close to your siblings as you would if you only had a few.  I'm an only child so what the hell do I know but it seems feasible to me.

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TXM wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Maybe Dean was like James Sawyer from LOST and they knew that if they donated one like John Locke did, it'd be due to a con.





Or, if Dean was as shady as was implied, he could have gotten a kidney off the black market. The hotel bathtub filled with ice seems like a golden ticket idea.

Or, Stu could have snatched someone's kidney down in the Dungeon when they weren't looking.



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Call me an asshole all you want, but if I found out that I was a match for either of my 3 nephews, I would really have to think long and hard whether to donate a kidney to either of them.  I say that because the 16 yr old is currently in jail awaiting trial for armed robbery and car theft(was just waived to adult court today) and his 14 yr old brother who was with him at the time, is having it handled by the juvenile system(which will do no good considering he is still on probation for another theft case last year), and the 12 yr old nephew is following in their footsteps and had been suspended from school several times for stealing from other kids and bullying other kids, and is also on probation for vandalism.  All 3 of them are on the fast track to prison.

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mike3775 wrote: Call me an asshole all you want, but if I found out that I was a match for either of my 3 nephews, I would really have to think long and hard whether to donate a kidney to either of them.  I say that because the 16 yr old is currently in jail awaiting trial for armed robbery and car theft(was just waived to adult court today) and his 14 yr old brother who was with him at the time, is having it handled by the juvenile system(which will do no good considering he is still on probation for another theft case last year), and the 12 yr old nephew is following in their footsteps and had been suspended from school several times for stealing from other kids and bullying other kids, and is also on probation for vandalism.  All 3 of them are on the fast track to prison.

Well, maybe they will learn tips in prison to use a shank to take your kidney without your consent.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: mike3775 wrote: Call me an asshole all you want, but if I found out that I was a match for either of my 3 nephews, I would really have to think long and hard whether to donate a kidney to either of them.  I say that because the 16 yr old is currently in jail awaiting trial for armed robbery and car theft(was just waived to adult court today) and his 14 yr old brother who was with him at the time, is having it handled by the juvenile system(which will do no good considering he is still on probation for another theft case last year), and the 12 yr old nephew is following in their footsteps and had been suspended from school several times for stealing from other kids and bullying other kids, and is also on probation for vandalism.  All 3 of them are on the fast track to prison.

Well, maybe they will learn tips in prison to use a shank to take your kidney without your consent.
And knowing those 3, they probably would also

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TXM wrote: srossi wrote: IIRC, Bret talked about "looking up" to his brother when he was really small BECAUSE Dean was shady.  He was the cooler bad boy older brother that a small child will gravitate towards, but once he got older I don't think he, or anyone else in the family, liked or respected him at all.  The book is filled with stories about Dean being a screw-up and a con-man.  It just doesn't seem like anyone liked him enough to make such a huge sacrifice for him.  Bret and Owen went on to become huge stars and Bruce probably still has delusions of making it big to this day, so no one was going to give up their careers and millions of dollars (real or imagined) for him.
I don't know. Still seems shitty (or fucked up) that people would put personal wealth above the life of a family member.



I imagine part of the calculus was the people he hurt.  Hurting people has consequences.



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I've read the book twice and this doesn't stand out as much to me as the comments/stories surrouding Smith. My brother actually owns the book so I can't check either, but mostly what I remember of the family was Smith taking advantage of everyone, using his father, and squandering multiple chances to right himself. What I do remember about Dean's passing was the first true wedge/issue which started to divide the family.

As for the rest of the book I really enjoyed it. Considering the time it was written there is a lot of bitterness which shines through, but I think Hart does a good job of justifying his emotions, regardless of how dellusion or selfish they may be.

And if he did keep daries and audio logs the book is accurate as far as Bret Hart sees his own life. This rather than someone trying to remember everything and making it up as they went.



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If y'all want to reference the book, go to Google Books, find Hart's Bio, and search for "Dean". It'll bring you to the parts that have that name in it.

I found a few excerpts by searching the words "Dean" and "Kidney." The doctors told them that anyone who makes a living being physically active shouldn't consider it. Bret felt cowardly for not giving his kidney and couldn't understand why his non-wrestling siblings wouldn't step up.

Last edited on Thu Mar 1st, 2012 03:03 am by BayouBoogie

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