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What territories did the WWF actually kill, as opposed to territories that died due to their own ineptitude??

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 Posted: Sat Nov 10th, 2012 01:08 am
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I think that the majority of them were dying slow deaths as it was. Some of the stronger ones-such as Florida and St. Louis started to die when their leaders (Eddie Graham and Sam Muchnick) left the building.

Others (Georgia, Kansas City, Vancouver, Hawaii, Continental, Toronto and Montreal, Maritime, Detroit, all the Texas territories) were either already dead or about to die.

Mid Atlantic was going strong. UWF had strong programs and ratings-I don't know how strong their bankroll was at that time. Portland was an anomaly. I think if the Oregon Athletic commission had kept their nose out of wrestling, Portland would have held on longer than it did. Memphis and the AWA were strong but starting to fade.

As much as the popular refrain was that VKM killed the territories, in retrospect, I think he simply picked the bones.



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HarryG wrote:
I think that the majority of them were dying slow deaths as it was. Some of the stronger ones-such as Florida and St. Louis started to die when their leaders (Eddie Graham and Sam Muchnick) left the building.

Others (Georgia, Kansas City, Vancouver, Hawaii, Continental, Toronto and Montreal, Maritime, Detroit, all the Texas territories) were either already dead or about to die.

Mid Atlantic was going strong. UWF had strong programs and ratings-I don't know how strong their bankroll was at that time. Portland was an anomaly. I think if the Oregon Athletic commission had kept their nose out of wrestling, Portland would have held on longer than it did. Memphis and the AWA were strong but starting to fade.

As much as the popular refrain was that VKM killed the territories, in retrospect, I think he simply picked the bones.


World Class could have remained strong in theory if the Von Erichs had not had all their issues.

Mid-South was strong but then the oil bust devestated the LA/OK/TX economies.

Both of these promos simply had better talent/TV production/booking than the other territories and looked smaller compared to the WWF but not completely 3rd/4th rate like most other promotions.

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The territories were on life support, Vince just kicked the plug out.

WCCW had national syndication, but outside of a handful of Texas Stadium/Reunion Arena shows, didn't really draw. The oil bust and the endless deaths didn't help matters.

Mid-South was awesome, of course, but UWF was really starting to slide pre-Crockett. You had the likes of Steve Cox, Gary Young and young Shane Douglas getting pushes.



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BuddyPSHayes wrote: The territories were on life support, Vince just kicked the plug out.

I agree with Buddy on this. The territories were destined to die with more people getting cable and wrestling programs being syndicated on "free TV" channels. If Vince didn't go national, somebody else would have. Vince just happened to be the guy with the biggest balls to do it.



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clawmaster wrote:
BuddyPSHayes wrote: The territories were on life support, Vince just kicked the plug out.

I agree with Buddy on this. The territories were destined to die with more people getting cable and wrestling programs being syndicated on "free TV" channels. If Vince didn't go national, somebody else would have. Vince just happened to be the guy with the biggest balls to do it.


He also had proximity to the New York media/ad agencies. No one in Charlotte, Tulsa, Memphis or even Dallas could have got their product in the national public eye like he did.



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Cable TV and changes of syndication would have killed territories if Vince didn't do anything.

I also think age killed most of the territories. Don Owen, Fritz, Muchnick, Graham, Tunney, Verne, Geigle all were way past their primes. They were products of a different era, and TV was changing.

Here's what's strange, in 1983 many of the territories were having their best year ever. Record houses were popping up all over North America.



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Crockett was complicit in killing the territories too.



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International Wrestling ( Montreal ) was still going pretty strong in the mid 1980's until Vince took away all it's biggest stars. From late 1986 to early 1987 guys like Dino Bravo, Rick Martel, the Rougeaus, King Tonga ( Haku ) and Tom Zenk all left for the WWF. That was pretty much the kiss of death for the IWA and it ceased operations in 1987.



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Crockett was complicit in killing the territories too.

their decision to starve Toronto of the A talent led to Vince taking over , could be said that was the pivotal point to the expansion in Canada which had a huge impact on the US expansion

When Vince Sr 'passed the torch ' so should the rest of the old guard , Verne to Greg etc



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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote:
Crockett was complicit in killing the territories too.


In a way, yes, but the territories he took over were as good as dead already. The only value they really had was their TV, which was all he was interested in. Even the strongest territory, the UWF, was bleeding money. For the most part, he was just picking the bones of a rotting corpse.

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clawmaster wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: The territories were on life support, Vince just kicked the plug out.

I agree with Buddy on this. The territories were destined to die with more people getting cable and wrestling programs being syndicated on "free TV" channels. If Vince didn't go national, somebody else would have. Vince just happened to be the guy with the biggest balls to do it.

This.  The more I've seen of Vince's business acumen, the more I think he was really just in the right place at the right time.  He basically inherited the largest territory in the best market and was able to parlay that into national domination by simply not being 70 years old and set in his ways (like he is now, and he's leaving millions on the table).  The ability for the WWF is to be able to move on to a younger generation at the right time was actually huge, because the writing was on the wall for anyone under 40.  He didn't exactly have to be Nostradamus to figure most of this stuff out.  We're talking about a very closed system here where no one else could get in and the the rulers were like mafia dons who had been around for 50 years.  So he wasn't competing against Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.  He took some financial risks, and I don't like attributing dumb luck to these things because if it was that easy to achieve dominance in an industry then everyone would do it, but he really was helped out an immense degree by bloodlines, incompetent competition, and being in the media capital of the world.  He was never successful at anything else in which he didn't have these advantages.

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Vince killed everything, He is the Devil.:tongue:



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Vince killed everything, He is the Devil.:tongue:

To me he was a savior, then turned into the devil. :)

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mike3775 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Vince killed everything, He is the Devil.:tongue:

To me he was a savior, then turned into the devil. :)


This I agree with.



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