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 Posted: Sun May 26th, 2013 02:24 am
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This match was linked in a thread on the KM Board.   I do not think I ever saw it before, but I am sure most of you have.

What is your take on what occurred during this match.  Rodz was not selling anything for Von Erich. 

The "Unpredictable One" was great.





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I dunno.  It didn't look bad to me but I'm probably just missing something.



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Guys like Rodz and Jose Estrada were the measuring stick for many of the out-of-town guest attractions.  Often times they were enlisted to test the mettle of some guys who there might be concern about; Kevin's working style had a recklessness to it throughout his career and Rodz ay have either gotten this intel from promoters, or saw enough evidence of it at the start of the match to make the call to shut Kevin down.   Stuff as simple as swatting at Rodz' head right after the bell could be construed as going into business for yourself.  Later Kevin throws a dropkick out of nowhere that doesn't fit in the context of that point in the match and Rodz sidesteps it more out of annoyance than anything.   One result of the "test" by Rodz is that Kevin didn't respond well to someone not always selling everything like the boys were used to in Texas; Fritz's influence didn't extend to having Rodz fear consequences.  To the contrary, he may have been given the directive to put Kevin over but make him work for the win.

When Kerry comes in on another card and faces Estrada, there's a bit of that kind of exchange but not to the degree that Kevin endured; perhaps Kerry benefitted from the lessons learned in Kevin's match.

 

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makes rods look douchey

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I think he was trying to teach him to clean his work up. Rodz cuts him off everytime something is sloppy. Even slaps his leg when it's out of position on the side headlock.



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victhestick wrote: I think he was trying to teach him to clean his work up. Rodz cuts him off everytime something is sloppy. Even slaps his leg when it's out of position on the side headlock.
Kevin never really learned that lesson; on either the World Class DVD or one of those roundtables, sloppy moves and execution of moves out of context were excused as "that was the style in Texas" meaning as long as the VE boys were in position to look good, to hell with mastering your craft.  Part of the reason some homesteaders didn't stray far from home was an inability to want to become well-rounded, and critiques in a physical form like Rodz' tactics could be avoided by digging their heels in where their loyal locals enabled that behavior.

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I can't find it on youtube but there was a TV match between Johnny Rodz and Mil Mascaras late 70s, [maybe 1980] but Rodz genuinely tries to make Mil look like an ass in an after-the-match schuffle.

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victhestick wrote: I think he was trying to teach him to clean his work up. Rodz cuts him off everytime something is sloppy. Even slaps his leg when it's out of position on the side headlock.
Kevin never really learned that lesson; on either the World Class DVD or one of those roundtables, sloppy moves and execution of moves out of context were excused as "that was the style in Texas" meaning as long as the VE boys were in position to look good, to hell with mastering your craft.  Part of the reason some homesteaders didn't stray far from home was an inability to want to become well-rounded, and critiques in a physical form like Rodz' tactics could be avoided by digging their heels in where their loyal locals enabled that behavior.


Kevin has always admitted in interviews that he worked stiff (or "snug", as he called it).



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It's matches like this one that show why guys like Rodz, Jones, Sanchez, Soto, Gonzalez, and Estrada were worth their weight in gold to the company. Rodz always maintained the highest levels of professionalism in the ring. He had excellent mat wrestling skills which were usually exhibited in one of the 4,245 matches he had with S.D. Jones. He was a strong, tough, and capable opponent and he sure wasn't going to oversell for some punk kid from Texas who comes into his hometown.



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A lot of Rodz matches remind me of two actors on stage where one is following set, scripted lines, and the other one is completely improvising his lines. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.



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khawk wrote:
A lot of Rodz matches remind me of two actors on stage where one is following set, scripted lines, and the other one is completely improvising his lines. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
You just don't like Puerto Ricans.



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What was this 82 or early 83? I am just guessing. Rodz was one of the rare workers that could lose every match but you never felt it was a squash match. Rodz and the others mentioned really were the glue that held the federation together. They helped advance the story lines. Guys like him are missed today.

He definitely taught Von Erick a lesson. Basically, it looked like Rodz was telling him, "kid, you have a lot to learn". I wonder if this is one of the reasons we didn't see Kevin make a run in the northeast later on. Although by that point, the federation had turned into a cartoon show so probably not.

I really miss guys like Rodz.

Edit - I just found it. 1980.

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An aside, but last week I saw what I believe is an early 1985 MSG match of Rodz and Rene Goulet against The British Bulldogs.  Very physical and good give-and-take action; the agility by Goulet in particular who would have been 52 at the time was amazing.  I'd say it's about 9 minutes long but it delivers plenty in that time.  Worth a check on YouTube.

 

 

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WongLee wrote: khawk wrote:
A lot of Rodz matches remind me of two actors on stage where one is following set, scripted lines, and the other one is completely improvising his lines. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
You just don't like Puerto Ricans.

Pfft...Kevin Von Erich isn't Puerto Rican.



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