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 Posted: Sun Oct 28th, 2018 01:06 pm
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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/from-the-wwe-network-the-hart-foundation/

A look at the Hart Foundation's glorious heel run as they use Danny Davis to steal the titles, plus matches with the Rougeaus, the Killer Bees, the Bulldogs, JYD, Tito Santana and the famous Steamboat/Hart match from Boston! In addition we get a goofy vignette where Mean Gene sexual harasses women and the heels play with toys. As an added bonus we learn Stu Hart likes escort women.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2018 02:37 am
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Just watched the first half of the October ‘83 MSG show. There were five matches before the intermission. All of them were enjoyable.

Tony Garea d. Rene Goulet with a sunset flip.

Tiger Chung Lee d. SD Jones with a “ghetto blaster”

Tito Santana went to a time limit draw with Iron Mike Sharpe (surprisingly good match).

Sgt Slaughter d. Ivan Putski by DQ when Ivan accidentally hit the ref.

Masked Superstar d. Backlund by countout after a swinging neck breaker on the floor.

They were really building up Superstar here. Amazing that he ended up not winning the belt.

Monsoon and Patterson were super enjoyable on commentary.

Just good fucking shit, and still have the Snuka/Muraco cage match coming up on disc 2.



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 Posted: Fri Nov 2nd, 2018 09:00 pm
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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/from-the-wwe-network-jake-the-snake-roberts/

The WWF put together a Jake the Snake highlight tape, but then filled it with him fighting sluggish big men such as JYD, King Kong Bundy and Kamala. The Honky Tonk Man is also given a heck of a lot of shine on a tape he isn't the designated star of. The tape is redeemed by an excellent bout against Ricky Steamboat, and a good early example of Jake's heel work as he tortures Scott McGhee. 

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 Posted: Fri Nov 2nd, 2018 09:20 pm
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I am listening to Bryan Alvarez and Vincent Verhei of the Figure Four Weekly review old Nitro and Raw episodes. Every Sunday they go through the episodes corresponding to 19 years previously. They're actually up to this week in 1999, right when Vince Russo moved from the WWF to WCW, but I went back in time to the weeks before Halloween Havoc in 1998 and am up to early April of 1999 at the moment. Once I catch up to them in real time, I'll go back in the archives to Labor Day 1995 when the Monday Night Wars began.

It is interesting to listen to them look at things in hindsight. Stuff that seemed cool then often has aged poorly. Other stuff holds up or seems better, or at least was underappreciated at the time. For that matter there were plenty of decisions, especially made by WCW, that alone were bad enough, but seem even worse when put into a chain of events.

It is also fun to see them notice when certain things happened for the first time or last time or built up. In April of 1999, Rock had been pushing his "Millions and Millions" line for several weeks and fans were not yet singing along. Stephanie McMahon has only made an appearance or two so far in the same timeframe.

In the time period they've reviewed since I began listening, the degree to which WCW has gone to the dogs is amazing. For that matter, the amount of risqué and all out sleaziness from the WWF has greatly intensified as well. A lot of things the WWF did back then would not look good if anyone dug into the Network archives too deeply and would never be considered today.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 3rd, 2018 08:36 pm
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Alvarez is often the worst part of the radio shows he's part of. With Dave, it often feels like Bryan just wants to get things over with and won't engage Dave to flesh out history or whatever. With his other whack pack shows, he'll ruin things by wanting to be done with the show within an hour, so even if they are having fun and whatnot he'll suddenly make them rush through it.
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http://culturecrossfire.com/wrestling/from-the-wwe-network-george-the-animal-steele/

George "the Animal" Steele is highlighted in some of the worst matches compiled from the 70's and 80's. Witness Steele tangle with such grappling wizards as Sika, the Honky Tonk Man, and Danny Davis. Marvel at hall of famers Bruno Sammartino, Randy Savage and Harley Race as they try to work around the Animal's unique style. Plus gander at the horror that is Steele partnering with the JYD to grapple with the Demolition. All that - plus many of Steele's goofy skits from TNT and SNME! The horror....the horror...

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Blazer wrote: Just watched the first half of the October ‘83 MSG show. There were five matches before the intermission. All of them were enjoyable.

Tony Garea d. Rene Goulet with a sunset flip.

Tiger Chung Lee d. SD Jones with a “ghetto blaster”

Tito Santana went to a time limit draw with Iron Mike Sharpe (surprisingly good match).

Sgt Slaughter d. Ivan Putski by DQ when Ivan accidentally hit the ref.

Masked Superstar d. Backlund by countout after a swinging neck breaker on the floor.

They were really building up Superstar here. Amazing that he ended up not winning the belt.

Monsoon and Patterson were super enjoyable on commentary.
 
Just good fucking shit, and still have the Snuka/Muraco cage match coming up on disc 2.

Finished this show earlier in the week. They crammed five matches onto the 2nd half.  What was odd was that the Snuka/Muraco cage match wasn't at the intermission.  The Backlund/Superstar match went into intermission.  So, you had tons of wasted time for the assembly and disassembly of the cage while Monsoon stretched commentary and Patterson did some backstage interviews.

Mike Graham d.  Bob Bradley.

Snuka d. Muraco in less that seven minutes in the cage with the spectacular leap afterwards.  Tame by today's standards but still cool.

They were short of time, so they had to squeeze three more matches in quickly...

Rocky Johnson d. Afa in less than two minutes with sunset flip.

The Invaders d. Butcher Vachon and Israel Maeta (Patterson on commetary mentions Mad Dog and Vivian).

Andre wrecks Sika in about a minute.

Fun show, and Patterson is better on commentary than you would expect.

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The Invaders got some good reactions and were able to rile up crowds with simple stuff like rapid tags while doing arm wringers. Some online speculation seems to be that they were heading for the belts before the expansion altered plans.

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I really like the invaders, I find almost all of there matches enjoyable



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Franchise wrote: I really like the invaders, I find almost all of there matches enjoyable
Same. You don’t realize how ahead of their time they were until you go back and look at those early ‘80s matches. 



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I don’t know why but I just watched clash of the champions 31. It was a terrible show from top to bottom. It looked like Vader was wearing the top of his singlet backwards which was weird but the highlight was the interview closing the show with Hogan talking about Andre and the son of Andre and not knowing what side Vader was on (Vader made a run in during the preshow to save hogan who had invaded the dungeon long enough for sting and savage to drag hogan out) During this Vader walked over and said his piece basically saying he was Vader and a bad mother. Hogan waited a second and then picked back up like Vader hadn’t just been there. Hogan sounded like a good that was following a script no matter what and Vader legit sounded badass; Unintentional comedy.



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Sounded like a goof not a good. I tried to edit that post but the board kept deleting entire sentences.



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Watching a shitload of WWF MSG shows from 1986 lately.

Finished the October '86 show last weekend...this was a "Themed" type of card, with a 24 man, 12-team Tag-Team battle royal as the main event, and the undercard had 10 singles match with the tag-teams split up randomly.

The battle royal was won by the Islanders, and they got a HUGE pop when Bundy slammed into Studd and knocked Studd over the top rope (Haku had gotten out of the way).

The singles matches were generally kept short, almost in tournament style, and the finishes were generally clean pinfalls.  The matches actually were fun to watch although somewhat random.

Beefcake beat B. Brian Blair.
Tama d. Moondog Rex (nice cross body from the top)
Bundy beat Super Machine (this was a squash almost...one of the Machines last appearances)
Dynamite d. Neidhart (fun match, Kid was wrapped up in the ropes and then snuck up from behind for a rollup pin)
Jacques Rougeua beat Iron Sheik (crazy fun match, surprise win with a sunset flip from the ring apron to the inside)
Brunzell and Rotundo -double countout on a "scientific match" gone bad.
Hammer d. Davey Boy (feet on ropes)
SD Jones d. Spotty (as Monsoon calls him)
Haku d. Volkoff
Bret Hart d. Ray Rougeau

Best part of the show was the live Piper's Pit with Piper's return "THE BOSS IS BACK!".  Orndorff and Heenan come out. Piper says Orndorff doesn't have any friends, Orndorff says the same about Piper.  Piper pulls that Igor guy out of the crowd.  Sets up Hogan/Piper vs. Orndorff/Race next month.
Good shit.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I really like the invaders, I find almost all of there matches enjoyable
Same. You don’t realize how ahead of their time they were until you go back and look at those early ‘80s matches. 

The Invaders were probably the biggest catalyst for me starting to support heels.  The constant rule breaking involving tag-ins behind the ref's back made me wonder why these guys should be considered "good guys".  And if that weren't the case, then why shouldn't I just support true heels who were at least up front about their rule breaking?  It sounds stupid but it's true.



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That MSG card with the tag team battle royal and the tag team guys split up in the undercard for various singles matches along with a live Piper's Pit acting as essentially a co main event died a brutal death at the gate by MSG standards of the era. I've heard that it drew a crowd of as few as 9,000 people. Hogan and Piper teaming up for the first time against Orndorff and Race the next month wound up selling out.

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Blazer wrote: Best part of the show was the live Piper's Pit with Piper's return "THE BOSS IS BACK!".  Orndorff and Heenan come out. Piper says Orndorff doesn't have any friends, Orndorff says the same about Piper.  Piper pulls that Igor guy out of the crowd.  Sets up Hogan/Piper vs. Orndorff/Race next month.
Good shit.

Do you mean Vladamir, the super fan?



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