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 Posted: Sat Sep 28th, 2019 04:37 am
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The Twins should have hired Verne as their GM. They would have never let David Ortiz leave for the Red Sox.

Verne: "Sure, I'll let you use Enos and Bloom. I need something in return though"

Herd: "We'll send you Ranger Ross."

Verne: "Need something more."

Herd: "How about Pillman and Ranger Ross?"

Verne: "I'll take Pillman and Flair."

Herd: "OKAY."



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I attended the card with Flair vs. Pillman. The crowd was far from huge, because JCP had never drawn here and WCW's efforts at running the Twin Cities were watched by small crowds until a show with Hulk Hogan drew in late 1994 followed by some huge Nitro crowds when WCW was at its peak. However, Flair hadn't wrestled in this market since 1987 and there was certainly pent up demand to see him in mid 1990. The crowd was visibly bigger than for the Super Clash IV card and Flair was who they came to see. Larry Zbyszko defending the AWA World Title against Nikita Koloff went on last, but lots of fans headed out after Flair vs. Pillman.

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I was thinking about this last night. They’re doing a helluva job lately with these hidden gems considering the audience for this. I mean, seriously, how many people would even care about Super Clash 4 if you polled wrestling fans. It would have to be like one person in a 1,000 fans. Is that even a conservative estimate? Considering the time to dig this up and digitize it, it’s a cool thing.



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Blazer wrote: I was thinking about this last night. They’re doing a helluva job lately with these hidden gems considering the audience for this. I mean, seriously, how many people would even care about Super Clash 4 if you polled wrestling fans. It would have to be like one person in a 1,000 fans. Is that even a conservative estimate? Considering the time to dig this up and digitize it, it’s a cool thing.
I’ve given WWE a ton of credit for this for years now. It took awhile, but they finally started taking their role of curators seriously since they are literally the only company left that can preserve the history of the business. 



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Blazer wrote: I was thinking about this last night. They’re doing a helluva job lately with these hidden gems considering the audience for this. I mean, seriously, how many people would even care about Super Clash 4 if you polled wrestling fans. It would have to be like one person in a 1,000 fans. Is that even a conservative estimate? Considering the time to dig this up and digitize it, it’s a cool thing.
I’ve given WWE a ton of credit for this for years now. It took awhile, but they finally started taking their role of curators seriously since they are literally the only company left that can preserve the history of the business. 



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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: I was thinking about this last night. They’re doing a helluva job lately with these hidden gems considering the audience for this. I mean, seriously, how many people would even care about Super Clash 4 if you polled wrestling fans. It would have to be like one person in a 1,000 fans. Is that even a conservative estimate? Considering the time to dig this up and digitize it, it’s a cool thing.
I’ve given WWE a ton of credit for this for years now. It took awhile, but they finally started taking their role of curators seriously since they are literally the only company left that can preserve the history of the business. 


I've thought about this too. The number of people interested in this stuff will be a tiny fraction of the total number of subscribers. Even our of that small group, not everyone will watch every hidden gem, and of those who watch, how many watch the entire show? I'd put myself in the group who are every interested in this era of wrestling, and I like watching guys I've never seen before. I haven't watched 10% of the 80s material that's on there.

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In talking to a friend - these Hidden Gems drops are basically just the luck of the draw. There is currently a team of people that are responsible for digitizing the tapes, then those tapes get scrubbed of any music that they don't have rights to, and edited for any questionable content. They then go through a quality control check - it's at this stage where they add the chapter points, descriptions, etc. So what is going on is that there are members assigned to territories. Mid South, WCCW, NWA on TBS, Thunder, and WCW Saturday Night (the later years past 1991). These are the projects that were put on the front burner within the past year plus. As the first department goes through tapes to digitize, when they find stuff added at either the end or beginning of tapes, or simply mislabeled/misfiled, it could end up on Hidden Gems. This AWA footage was found that way, just like the earlier gems such as that cereal company footage and the other weird shit that has turned up in the past year AWA related - somebody got lucky with a pull that was either mislabeled or misfiled.

The only other way that this happens is if a current wrestler requested the footage for viewing (guys like Chris Hero and other deep students of the game are known for asking for obscure shit). I can't imagine that WWE had any clue that they were holding those tapes.

Another thing I've learned, there is a backdoor VPN that talent and employees can login and search for/view things that aren't even on WWE network yet (or may never be). This is where the work goes into putting the chapter points and summaries of what is going on. It's not just for viewing, you can actually edit the content from this section.



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Superstar wrote: In talking to a friend - these Hidden Gems drops are basically just the luck of the draw. There is currently a team of people that are responsible for digitizing the tapes, then those tapes get scrubbed of any music that they don't have rights to, and edited for any questionable content. They then go through a quality control check - it's at this stage where they add the chapter points, descriptions, etc. So what is going on is that there are members assigned to territories. Mid South, WCCW, NWA on TBS, Thunder, and WCW Saturday Night (the later years past 1991). These are the projects that were put on the front burner within the past year plus. As the first department goes through tapes to digitize, when they find stuff added at either the end or beginning of tapes, or simply mislabeled/misfiled, it could end up on Hidden Gems. This AWA footage was found that way, just like the earlier gems such as that cereal company footage and the other weird shit that has turned up in the past year AWA related - somebody got lucky with a pull that was either mislabeled or misfiled.

The only other way that this happens is if a current wrestler requested the footage for viewing (guys like Chris Hero and other deep students of the game are known for asking for obscure shit). I can't imagine that WWE had any clue that they were holding those tapes.

Another thing I've learned, there is a backdoor VPN that talent and employees can login and search for/view things that aren't even on WWE network yet (or may never be). This is where the work goes into putting the chapter points and summaries of what is going on. It's not just for viewing, you can actually edit the content from this section.


Does your friend know if there are any plans to upload any more WWE All Star Wrestling or Old School?  They haven't updated those sections in a long time, particularly Old School which was one of the original sections at launch.  Any plans to do any AWA dumps (i.e. not just the odd Hidden Gems but weeks at a time of AWA tv)?

Also, is the WWE aware that their videos are botched both in video and audio since Network 2.0 rolled out?  The shows are streaming at exactly 30.0 fps when they should either be 29.97 fps or ideally 54.94 fps.  Also, they are in dual channel mono, when they should be in stereo (mostly).

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If you haven’t heard, WWE SmackDown is set to make its lowkey debut tomorrow on a little-known network channel called Fox. But in all seriousness, it wouldn’t feel right if such a monumental occasion wasn’t commemorated be the WWE Network’s Hidden Gems category.
As it happens, today’s selections are doubling down on that focus. Not only do the 4 matches feature Kofi Kingston and Brock Lesnar (the pair set to collide for the WWE Championship on Friday) but they’re also all dark matches from SmackDown tapings. Perhaps the 2 biggest standouts are Brock and Randy Orton facing off in 2001 long before their main roster debuts and Kofi battling none other than Steve Corino in 2007. 
Other offerings include Brock vs Rico from early 2002 and Kofi vs Miz from 2007 in The Miz’s hometown of Cleveland. Being dark matches, all 4 are a good (upscaled) VHS quality with the standard “presented in the most complete form possible” disclaimer at the beginning.

As always, here are the official descriptions:
SmackDown Taping Dark Match 11/29/2001 – Brock Lesnar and Randy Orton face off as phenoms [Duration: 00:08:17]

Before they would go on to dominate the WWE landscape for nearly two decades, Brock Lesnar and Randy Orton face off in this rarely seen contest.

SmackDown Taping Dark Match 01/03/2002 – Brock Lesnar before he was “The Next Big Thing” [Duration: 00:06:27]

An up-and-coming Brock Lesnar gives Rico one of the toughest challenges of his career.

SmackDown Taping Dark Match 03/23/2007 – Kofi Kingston and The Miz’s early showdown [Duration: 00:08:10]

Kofi Kingston shows The Miz the definition of awesome as he battles the cocky superstar in The Miz’s hometown of Cleveland.

SmackDown Taping Dark Match 12/14/2007 – A young Kofi Kingston faces an extreme opponent [Duration: 00:08:20]

Before winning multiple WWE titles, Kofi Kingston takes on former ECW Champion, Steve Corino, in this rarely seen match.

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I would like to ask "that friend" if the 50s Texas stuff is just single matches or if something resembling complete episodes might be available. Like, that hilarious, hilarious Tokyo Joe karate match (4 on 1 squash) has one of the most intriguing tv cards I have ever seen - because it would have been an outlaw tv show. Normally you had the usual establishment of professional heavyweight wrestlers. But back then in that promotion you had some really, really random not-even-journeyman guys who pretty much only worked outlaw shows or were jobbers in the established promotions. It would be one of the rare possibilites of ever being able to see 50s wrestling which would be distinctively different from the NWA "wrestling establishment". Although I have to say, having seen the hilarious aforementioned squash - it was pretty much the usual wrestling we are used to. Wrestling was always the same, wasn`t it?



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WWE's press conference this Friday at 3 PM Eastern (12 PM Pacific) at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas will air live on the WWE Network and stream on the company's social media platforms.

Listed as appearing are WWE Champion Brock Lesnar, Paul Heyman, Cain Velasquez, Triple H, Braun Strowman, boxer Tyson Fury, and Rey Mysterio.

Obviously, WWE will be officially announcing Lesnar vs. Velasquez and Strowman vs. Fury matches.



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Qaenos wrote: Superstar wrote: In talking to a friend - these Hidden Gems drops are basically just the luck of the draw. There is currently a team of people that are responsible for digitizing the tapes, then those tapes get scrubbed of any music that they don't have rights to, and edited for any questionable content. They then go through a quality control check - it's at this stage where they add the chapter points, descriptions, etc. So what is going on is that there are members assigned to territories. Mid South, WCCW, NWA on TBS, Thunder, and WCW Saturday Night (the later years past 1991). These are the projects that were put on the front burner within the past year plus. As the first department goes through tapes to digitize, when they find stuff added at either the end or beginning of tapes, or simply mislabeled/misfiled, it could end up on Hidden Gems. This AWA footage was found that way, just like the earlier gems such as that cereal company footage and the other weird shit that has turned up in the past year AWA related - somebody got lucky with a pull that was either mislabeled or misfiled.

The only other way that this happens is if a current wrestler requested the footage for viewing (guys like Chris Hero and other deep students of the game are known for asking for obscure shit). I can't imagine that WWE had any clue that they were holding those tapes.

Another thing I've learned, there is a backdoor VPN that talent and employees can login and search for/view things that aren't even on WWE network yet (or may never be). This is where the work goes into putting the chapter points and summaries of what is going on. It's not just for viewing, you can actually edit the content from this section.


Does your friend know if there are any plans to upload any more WWE All Star Wrestling or Old School?  They haven't updated those sections in a long time, particularly Old School which was one of the original sections at launch.  Any plans to do any AWA dumps (i.e. not just the odd Hidden Gems but weeks at a time of AWA tv)?

Also, is the WWE aware that their videos are botched both in video and audio since Network 2.0 rolled out?  The shows are streaming at exactly 30.0 fps when they should either be 29.97 fps or ideally 54.94 fps.  Also, they are in dual channel mono, when they should be in stereo (mostly).
He does not know about anything other than what I mentioned - as he's working on content, until he's done, he doesn't know what his next assignment is.  And according to what he told me last night, they are not doing anything any differently with how they are handling the processing of video and audio, he thinks it could be either an app problem or a host problem with the broadcast. 



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indikator wrote: I would like to ask "that friend" if the 50s Texas stuff is just single matches or if something resembling complete episodes might be available. He said that they have tons of film but that it's for the most part stored offsite, or if it's onsite he has no idea where.  The way that they process film is different, he said, and only if something has been put into their database and has the need to be catalogued on a match by match basis, he doesn't see it.  Because my question to him was with some of the arena film that I had read they got from both Florida and Georgia.  I was hoping there was more because they've kinda dropped the ball on Florida coverage.



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I'm not expecting to see this at any time soon if at all, but I'd love to see some raw footage of say two hours of guys cutting house show promos from whatever the promotion they may have stuff like this from. I've been going through YouTube recently watching whatever house show interviews I can find. Assuming the stuff wasn't junked or taped over, the WWE probably has a lot of this lying around. The WWWF/WWF, AWA, JCP, Mid-South, and other groups ran those kinds of promos inserted on tape between the match segments.

As much of a hassle as it would have been, when house show business fell off for the WWF in 1992 and stayed down for years afterwards, but the promotion was still reliant on local syndication to drive house show ticket sales, that would have been a good time to move away from the Events Center generic promos to localized ones. Having Sean Mooney or later Todd Pettengill hype the WWF coming to Pittsburgh Civic Arena with Bret Hart cutting a prerecorded promo on Shawn Michaels or Owen Hart that was used again for the San Francisco, Peoria, Cincinnati, Orlando, and Louisville inserts with only the announcer redoing the city name probably saved time and a bit of money.

However, having localized references and mentions of things that happened at the last card in the event of rematches would always catch the eye of a watching fan, not to mention the fact that the interplay between wrestler and interviewer was absent in the Events Center segments and that back and forth did a lot to catch attention as well, especially while Mean Gene still did the segments.

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