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 Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2014 03:35 am
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Been watching some old ECW TVs on the WWE Network. 

How did you feel when guys in one company would go on their TVs and challenge wrestlers from other companies?

Did it make ECW look bush league when Douglas continuously challenged Flair, Hogan and/or Hart to face him?

Or when Bischoff challenged McMahon on Nitro to face him on some PPV?

Or when BG and Kip James challenged HBK and HHH in TNA? (No need to answer that one.)

I'm sure these things go back a long way. What were some other notable ones? Did any of them ever have a payoff? I know the Memphis/Poffos one got kind of hot, and they turned turned it into a big angle. Were there others? 

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If you believe Bischoff's book, backstage at the PPV they really believed that Vince was going to show up.


I think Shane Douglas promos worked much better in their day in the Arena than they do watching them 20 years later.


Didn't ICW advertise Memphis in matches in their newspaper ads with 'if he dares to show up'?


I think that by making these challenges, you're demonstrating that you're lower in the pecking order. It can make for a great angle though. I really enjoyed CZW v ROH.

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I love the grandstand challenges. I'm a wrestling fan and one of the things I like is the outrageousness of it all and acknowledging other wrestlers in other leagues makes it better. Loved Jerry Lawler as AWA champ calling Randy Savage a 'company champ" and Hall showing up on Nitro and asking where the Nacho Man was.

However -- the big problem with Shane calling out Flair and that kind of a thing is they could never deliver the match.

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beejmi wrote: I love the grandstand challenges. I'm a wrestling fan and one of the things I like is the outrageousness of it all and acknowledging other wrestlers in other leagues makes it better. Loved Jerry Lawler as AWA champ calling Randy Savage a 'company champ" and Hall showing up on Nitro and asking where the Nacho Man was.

However -- the big problem with Shane calling out Flair and that kind of a thing is they could never deliver the match.

Remember though, Beej, it wasn't COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibility.  ECW had a working agreement with WCW at the time. Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, Sherri, Terry Funk...there were a half dozen  or so guys working back and forth.  So, there was at least some basis there.  
The other thing about ECW at the time was that they were sort of built on "surprise appearances".  There were still enough guys still around from the territory days that they could bring in and pop a house.  So, having the surprise of Flair actually showing up wasn't completely, utterly out of the question.



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Kriss wrote: Didn't ICW advertise Memphis in matches in their newspaper ads with 'if he dares to show up'?

Yes they did many, many times.



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I think Mike Graham showed up at a radio remote broadcast where an outlaw had gotten some publicity and made a scene challenging their wrestlers back in the 1980s in Florida.

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One Fan Gang wrote: I think Mike Graham showed up at a radio remote broadcast where an outlaw had gotten some publicity and made a scene challenging their wrestlers back in the 1980s in Florida.
It was the Golden Gladiator Ron Hill's promotion. Hill was announcing the action. Mike Graham showed up and kicked the shit out of him right on the air.



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clawmaster wrote: One Fan Gang wrote: I think Mike Graham showed up at a radio remote broadcast where an outlaw had gotten some publicity and made a scene challenging their wrestlers back in the 1980s in Florida.
It was the Golden Gladiator Ron Hill's promotion. Hill was announcing the action. Mike Graham showed up and kicked the shit out of him right on the air.


Please tell me there's video of that somewhere



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Blazer wrote: beejmi wrote: I love the grandstand challenges. I'm a wrestling fan and one of the things I like is the outrageousness of it all and acknowledging other wrestlers in other leagues makes it better. Loved Jerry Lawler as AWA champ calling Randy Savage a 'company champ" and Hall showing up on Nitro and asking where the Nacho Man was.

However -- the big problem with Shane calling out Flair and that kind of a thing is they could never deliver the match.

Remember though, Beej, it wasn't COMPLETELY out of the realm of possibility.  ECW had a working agreement with WCW at the time. Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, Sherri, Terry Funk...there were a half dozen  or so guys working back and forth.  So, there was at least some basis there.  
The other thing about ECW at the time was that they were sort of built on "surprise appearances".  There were still enough guys still around from the territory days that they could bring in and pop a house.  So, having the surprise of Flair actually showing up wasn't completely, utterly out of the question.

I agree with this.  It was not completely outlandish.  Back when the original ECW was active so many "former" stars went through, and the mix of those guys, and home grown stars gave ECW more of a recognizable reputation than what actually existed.

Further to this point, I never understood why the wrestling promotions obviously did not acknowledge any competition directly in the '80s and kayfabe era?  protecting the business and not promoting or aiding the competition directly is one thing, but to blatantly ignore there were other wrestlers or promotions is more insulting than a ref bump or a ref missing a face tag-in.



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2000- WCW star Bill Goldberg appears on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno and statesthat he will put up $100,000 of his own money if WWF star Steve Austin will wrestle or fight him. Goldberg says they can meet anywhere, even in a back alley. A few days later, Howard Stern asks Austin about the challenge, and Austin responded that they can wrestle when Goldberg "makes it to the big leagues". Many felt Goldberg came off looking foolish with his "challenge".

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