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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:05 am |
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kwangman39 wrote: Hammer to Fall wrote: Flair's contract expired at the end of last year or early this year. He might not have ever signed a new contract. Meltzer said a few times that he was close to doing so, but I never heard whether or not he had. If he's free to go now, there must not have been much of anything in place other than the obligatory thou shall not show up on TNA for six months. I would think there would still be some money coming his way for the DVDs his matches appear on.
It's still a dumbass decision, but I would think that whenever he screws up again, McMahon will take him back and let him scrub toilets at Titan Tower.
I wouldn't be shocked if Flair really starts whoring himself out for TV and B movies. And of course, Feinstein will offer him $5,000 and free beer.
I think you're probably right about him not having a contract. At least, I never heard of one being signed. If WWE felt so strongly about him not making appearances, that would seem to indicate they felt he was still a viable asset. If so, why not use him? More than any problems he might have with McMahon, I think creative simply doesn't want to use him. It's probably because he sometimes forgets his lines and they likely have difficulty writing for him given every fan has some idea of what Flair's typical dialogue would be and they don't want to have to adhere to a set of guidelines to make it believable to the fans. As much as WWE creative sucks, I think these type of perceived restrictions would actually prevent most creative teams in other scenarios or industries from wanting to use him in an ongoing role. Most creative people don't feel creative when they have limits. Well that makes great sense. A grown man with a family and financial obligations folds his arms and turns around with his nose in the air because he doesn't want to do what his boss wants so hes going to throw away his six figure a year job to sign poloroids and boxes of childrens action figures to make the low 5 figures per year.
Good job old man way to plan for the future!
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:06 am |
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I still maintain that Ric Flair Financial Services is the funniest/most ironic business in history.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:14 am |
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It's worse than I thought-
http://thegillespieagency.com/public/html/woo.html
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:22 am |
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Portalesman wrote: kwangman39 wrote: Hammer to Fall wrote: Flair's contract expired at the end of last year or early this year. He might not have ever signed a new contract. Meltzer said a few times that he was close to doing so, but I never heard whether or not he had. If he's free to go now, there must not have been much of anything in place other than the obligatory thou shall not show up on TNA for six months. I would think there would still be some money coming his way for the DVDs his matches appear on.
It's still a dumbass decision, but I would think that whenever he screws up again, McMahon will take him back and let him scrub toilets at Titan Tower.
I wouldn't be shocked if Flair really starts whoring himself out for TV and B movies. And of course, Feinstein will offer him $5,000 and free beer.
I think you're probably right about him not having a contract. At least, I never heard of one being signed. If WWE felt so strongly about him not making appearances, that would seem to indicate they felt he was still a viable asset. If so, why not use him? More than any problems he might have with McMahon, I think creative simply doesn't want to use him. It's probably because he sometimes forgets his lines and they likely have difficulty writing for him given every fan has some idea of what Flair's typical dialogue would be and they don't want to have to adhere to a set of guidelines to make it believable to the fans. As much as WWE creative sucks, I think these type of perceived restrictions would actually prevent most creative teams in other scenarios or industries from wanting to use him in an ongoing role. Most creative people don't feel creative when they have limits. Well that makes great sense. A grown man with a family and financial obligations folds his arms and turns around with his nose in the air because he doesn't want to do what his boss wants so hes going to throw away his six figure a year job to sign poloroids and boxes of childrens action figures to make the low 5 figures per year.
Good job old man way to plan for the future!
I never said it made sense. In fact, I've said multiple times in this thread, as has everybody else, that it was a stupid, foolish, idiotic thing to do and agreed that he should have shut up and taken his money. If anything, I was simply saying that given WWE's creative structure that might be the only reason why the company wouldn't want to use him and decided to set him free.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:41 am |
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Would it be possible, if say, a few of us offered one of these knuckleheads (Flair, Patera, anybody) $7500 for a shoot on the shooter and asked them about Fagstein, etc....
Now that would be fun, if sad for knowing what whores these guys are.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 03:46 am |
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But anybody offering Flair 7500 for such a thing would make us as financially daft as Flair himself.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 04:07 am |
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Flair's official statement:
[size=WWE and I parted on the best of terms. This gives me the chance to pursue new opportunities...corporate speaking engagements, product sponsorships, autograph shows for my loyal fans (who made me what I am today) and film and television roles. My agent and I are very excited about what the future holds!
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I don't know what's stupider/funnier:
1. Ric Flair leaving a guaranteed job for the rest of his life in a company that will one day be run by a guy who idolizes him in order to work NWA Fan Fests and Legends Conventions for beer and bounced checks.
2. Idiot wrestling fans who applaud this move because WWE "wasn't using him right".
I mean holy shit, Vince went to bat for the guy like no other wrestler I can remember. He bailed the guy out of the huge financial mess he was in (from living his gimmick like a mark) with a personal loan from his own money. He was willing to keep the guy on his payroll for life, all he was asking of him was not to waste the buildup WWE gave him as the Greatest Of All Time by not going to whore himself at podunk shows in high school gyms. Who cares if he doesn't get to be GM or any other on camera role, he should be content with sitting at home and cashing checks after 40 years of taking bumps.
No wonder they only did the most basic promotion for the latest DVD set.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 11:06 am |
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sportatorium roach wrote: It's worse than I thought-
http://thegillespieagency.com/public/html/woo.html
It's exactly what I thought.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 11:33 am |
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gwlee7 wrote: sportatorium roach wrote: It's worse than I thought-
http://thegillespieagency.com/public/html/woo.html
It's exactly what I thought.
Man. There is a link to a "video" in the upper right of that screen. I think the most people in the room at any one time iduring that video was 11. For chrissakes he pops in on some middle aged ladies, I think it was in a library - I thought I saw the card catalog behind them.
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 11:55 am |
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 12:27 pm |
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sek69 wrote: I don't know what's stupider/funnier:
1. Ric Flair leaving a guaranteed job for the rest of his life in a company that will one day be run by a guy who idolizes him in order to work NWA Fan Fests and Legends Conventions for beer and bounced checks.
2. Idiot wrestling fans who applaud this move because WWE "wasn't using him right".
I mean holy shit, Vince went to bat for the guy like no other wrestler I can remember. He bailed the guy out of the huge financial mess he was in (from living his gimmick like a mark) with a personal loan from his own money. He was willing to keep the guy on his payroll for life, all he was asking of him was not to waste the buildup WWE gave him as the Greatest Of All Time by not going to whore himself at podunk shows in high school gyms. Who cares if he doesn't get to be GM or any other on camera role, he should be content with sitting at home and cashing checks after 40 years of taking bumps.
No wonder they only did the most basic promotion for the latest DVD set.
Can't say it any better myself.
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sek69 wrote: I don't know what's stupider/funnier:
1. Ric Flair leaving a guaranteed job for the rest of his life in a company that will one day be run by a guy who idolizes him in order to work NWA Fan Fests and Legends Conventions for beer and bounced checks.
2. Idiot wrestling fans who applaud this move because WWE "wasn't using him right".
I mean holy shit, Vince went to bat for the guy like no other wrestler I can remember. He bailed the guy out of the huge financial mess he was in (from living his gimmick like a mark) with a personal loan from his own money. He was willing to keep the guy on his payroll for life, all he was asking of him was not to waste the buildup WWE gave him as the Greatest Of All Time by not going to whore himself at podunk shows in high school gyms. Who cares if he doesn't get to be GM or any other on camera role, he should be content with sitting at home and cashing checks after 40 years of taking bumps.
No wonder they only did the most basic promotion for the latest DVD set.
I'm not trying to fall under that second option, but if Flair didn't sign a contract, how can we all be sure he was even offered one? Because Meltzer says so?
I don't know a lot of what goes on behind the scenes, but maybe his deal expired and all he was offered was a legends contract?
It would be stupid of them to do that, but maybe this isn't all on Flair's shoulders. Maybe Vince feels that since he has bailed Flair of so many financial situations, that he doesn't owe him anything more. But Flair, who we all know is terrible with his finances, needs to make more than what he was offered.
Just playing devil's advocate....
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 02:26 pm |
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Part of me goes along with the majority thinking "God Ric, you are a dumbass", but then part of me thinks this probably was a pretty slick move by Flair, he's GOING to get a lot of corporate speaking engagements, he has some pretty powerful political friends that can get him a lot of this stuff, and if he had stuck with the WWE and gotten these deals, Vince would have taken a chunk of the money before Flair ever sees it..now, Flair gets it all...I think some of you don't realize how many friends Flair has in politics..he'll be fine IMO..
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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DaNkinator wrote:
I'm not trying to fall under that second option, but if Flair didn't sign a contract, how can we all be sure he was even offered one? Because Meltzer says so?
I don't know a lot of what goes on behind the scenes, but maybe his deal expired and all he was offered was a legends contract?
It would be stupid of them to do that, but maybe this isn't all on Flair's shoulders. Maybe Vince feels that since he has bailed Flair of so many financial situations, that he doesn't owe him anything more. But Flair, who we all know is terrible with his finances, needs to make more than what he was offered.
Just playing devil's advocate....
Observer Live is finally up from last night.
Apparently, Flair did sign a three year deal at the end of last year. Supposedly this one was also $500,000 per year. I'm really doubting that figure as it was intended that Flair would retire at WrestleMania. No way Vince would pay someone that much for almost three years of non-televised appearances.
Creative wasn't going to use him on television. Not as long as we have these bunch of writers. They don't like his promos and he wasn't going to be wrestling. Listening to Dave's show, I don't think he grasped that. As much as he's written about how much creative didn't like using him, Meltz hasn't thought about that.
His ambassador deal has him doing a whole bunch of stuff without recognition. No way he's going for that. He'd rather whore himself out for bad reality shows.
He'll eventually be back with WWE. Triple H has a soft spot for him and I think Flair's smart enough not to screw up that meal ticket. Flair's been stupid in just about every way during his career except one: he doesn't burn bridges.
Flair also has one other money-making resource available. He's spoken a few times of wanting to do another book. No way he would have the publishing deal that he had with WWE, but I think he could get something pretty decent. Appearing on the New York Times bestseller list might be a minor feather in his cap.
I think one of the various Charlotte radio shows would take him in, too.
He'll never approach the salary he has/had with the 'E - and I do think he'll be back there again within two years - I think he might make it. Well, if someone holds his hand and doesn't let him have access to a credit card, checkbook, debit card, or cash.
Then again, there's also the chance Flair will be dead within a few years and render some of this moot.
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