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TerryWWWF
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Posted: Mon Aug 4th, 2008 11:38 pm |
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Oh, they fucking love their Luke Jr. over there. I don't know the guy, but he's basically trading off the (fake) name of someone who wasn't really his father. From what I know, he runs these promotions that play to 50 people in a fucking barn in cow turd matches some-fucking-place where cousins breed.
And those dickheads treat him like he's Jack Brisco. I remember once someone posted something mildly sarcastic about Luke and his fed and CM stepped in to solemnly say, "Hey, watch it. Luke's family here."
Well, fuck him.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 02:29 pm |
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BigJ wrote: HarryG wrote: Portalesman wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: . The money he made, he pissed away more than once. What great life lessons does he have to share that are going to make IBM run more smoothly?
He could say "WHOOOOOOOOO! I'm the Nature Boy!"
Were I corporate exec., I'd pay the big bucks for that.
Ports, you have to admit-it just doesn't sound as good when Bill Gates does it.
Maybe this move will help to once and for all kill the myth of Flair as the greatest whatever of all time. There was a time when leveling ANY criticism at Flair would get the entire IWC calling for your immediate decapitation.
Kennedy didn't live in Camelot, and "The Nature Boy" is not so brilliant in terms of wrestling.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY EXACTLY?
Show some respect. Unless you can tell us how exactly Ric Flair is NOT the greatest of all time, and I doubt that someone like you CAN, I suggest you watch your tone. Especially if you like posting here.
Nice!  You ought to go into mimicry-I think you'd make a fortune!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 02:39 pm |
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from pwinsider
The Gillespie Agency, which represents WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair for personal appearances, began contacting promoters who had been previously turned down for Flair appearances with the following via email over the weekend:
"Ric Flair is no longer under contract with WWE. It was a friendly parting which will allow Ric to pursue things that were rejected by WWE in the past. And it will mean a more streamlined process than ever before. Just you guys and me and Ric. Let’s pull something together and make some money!"
In recent months, Flair had been forced to give up a series of 20-30 appearances that would have taken place on National Wrestling Alliance events including an NWA Hall of Fame induction, at WWE's request. He was also forced to turn down additional appearances, including a signing appearance for Ring of Honor in New York City. There was also a case recently WWE raised a red flag over Flair appearing at a convention that was also advertising TNA talents.
When you add up the number of missed opportunities and compare it to Flair's rumored asking price of $10,000 per appearance, it's a lot of coin, so due to the potential earnings that were being left on the table (and honestly, some of that might not be able to be recovered), Flair opted to ask for a release so he could work without having WWE restrictions put upon his outside endeavors.
While the parting may seem shocking on the surface, especially given the huge sendoff World Wrestling Entertainment gave Flair during Wrestlemania weekend, it's not without historic precedent. WWE does have history of letting Flair out of his contract to work on other endeavors. In 1991, Vince McMahon verbally promised to release Flair from his contractual obligations if he was ever moved out of a main event position. When that move was made in 1993, Flair received an offer from WCW and was released from his WWF deal per the verbal agreement.
The Gillespie Agency, on behalf of WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair, issued the following statement to PWInsider.com:
WWE and I parted on the best of terms. This gives me the chance to pursue new opportunities...corporate speaking engagements, product sponsorships, autograph shows for my loyal fans (who made me what I am today) and film and television roles. My agent and I are very excited about what the future holds!
Ric Flair
Flair has already received upwards of 250 offers since the announcement on Sunday and there is word of a bidding war going on for a Flair shoot interview as well. According to sources I've spoken to, Flair will no longer be contractually prevented from entering inside a wrestling ring during appearances going forward, as WWE had previous prohibited. This could technically open the door for Flair working as a manager/referee, doing training seminars, or (and while I will say right now this is highly unlikely, one never knows) wrestling down the line.
Late Sunday evening, WWE acknowledged Flair's departure on their website, posting the following: "WWE and Hall of Famer Ric Flair have mutually agreed to contractually part ways. After an extraordinary career Ric has chosen to pursue opportunities outside of WWE." The announcement is already off the website's main page. It will be interesting to see if they start marking down Flair merchandise, as is policy when a talent leaves the company, given Flair's popularity and the recent release of the Ric Flair Definitive Collection DVD.
As irony has it, the September theme for WWE 24/7 is Ric Flair and they have several episodes of the Legends of Wrestling 24/7 Roundtable series in the can with Flair for the future. Despite WWE's curt announcement of Flair's departure, My gut feeling is that if WWE needed Flair to appear on their behalf down the line, chances are it would happen, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
For those who are wondering whether TNA will make a play for Flair, obviously everyone would love for him to come on board, but there's no word on whether the conditions of the release would prevent him from appearing on national television for another wrestling company.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:06 pm |
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I wasn't ever turned down by the Agency or Flair or WWE, but I was one of the ones who turned THEM down originally about a month ago when I was trying to do some brainstorming and budgeting for a show I am planning for next Spring.
They sent me that follow-up letter this morning, which I replied to basically telling them that I am not interested at those rates in the area we would be looking to run. They then wrote back trying to pitch other workers to me...LOL
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 04:26 pm |
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Flair will make the big money for a year or two but then once he's done the loop his 'shine' will ware off and I doubt he will be able to command the big asking price anymore. Who knows maybe it's just a thing where he goes out and makes all the big money then goes right back to the WWE. Maybe the WWE told him its alright for him to come back as long as he doesn't wrestle. This could turn out to be a good thing for him.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 05:42 pm |
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carpetbeggar wrote: Flair will make the big money for a year or two but then once he's done the loop his 'shine' will ware off and I doubt he will be able to command the big asking price anymore. Who knows maybe it's just a thing where he goes out and makes all the big money then goes right back to the WWE. Maybe the WWE told him its alright for him to come back as long as he doesn't wrestle. This could turn out to be a good thing for him.
I was thinking the same.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 05:48 pm |
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| I think short term this is the best thing he could do. I see him back working at WWE with in 2 years.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 07:00 pm |
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OK, maybe I'm just a dumb mark, but am I to understand that Flair is planning on making more money doing shoots for Feinstein & Nulty than he would for saying WOOOOO for 5 minutes a week in WWE?
And people wonder why he is fucking broke.
And, I'll interupt this trashing of the guy to say that he really is the best wrestler of his generation. Too bad he didn't save some of his money.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 07:47 pm |
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he should come to tna
ric flair is good but
he's no a.j. styles
Last edited on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 10:43 pm by freebirdsforever2001
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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The story about the demand for his appearances is a crock of shit planted by his agency.
There aren't that many events, period, much less that many that either want or could afford Flair at $10K.
How the fuck could you possibly sell enough shoot interviews to justify the cost? As soon as the thing is issued, you sell three copies and 10,000 more are bootlegged.
Last edited on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 08:14 pm by TerryWWWF
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:41 am |
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Hopefully Flair's young wife is good with money. (Also, I hope she isn't with Flair just for the money at this point.)
Some of those old marks at WC believe Flair will be raking in the dough now. Kind of sad when they even get worked by a press release from the Gillespie Agency.
Luke Jr. is the funniest with his idea that Flair could get paid $20,000 for every appearance.
Last edited on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:49 am by sportatorium roach
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 01:00 pm |
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Very good points! This is why the business is where it is today though; there are too many promoters who simply want to book in a 'name' so they can say they had them on their show(s). I NEVER booked a name unless I knew first that there was sufficent interest to cover their fee(s). Most people run their promotions like marks, instead of businesses.
To be honest, IF Ric was looking for $1,500 a DAY, and would do an autograph appearance AND take part in a show, if it was in a major centre - I would CONSIDER booking him. Even if I had to throw 5 or 10 points on the house in it could be worthwhile.
I know...you may say that's cheap - but think about it - flight, room, transportation, advertising costs, AND looking at not what you would draw at the gate WITH Flair - but without Flair - then calculating how many ADDITIONAL fans would come to see him in a 'non-wrestling' role, and maybe you'd see the picture.
With the 'extras' he'd make, it would be well worth coming instead of sitting at home waiting for the $10k guarantees that, let's face it - won't be too quick in coming.
His rate will start to become more and more negotiable until he either has to start working Indy prices, or go back to WWE.
Last edited on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 01:01 pm by still fabin
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 01:21 pm |
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 10:40 pm |
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Flair's just so fucking stupid at times.
Most recent Observer has announced divorce #3.
"Flair had concerned many of his longest-term friends over the last month because he’s been unable to be reached, after he separated from wife of two years, Tiffany VanDemark, 36, a former fitness competitor who was prominent with him through all the Wrestlemania festivities. The split was believed to be in early June...
Tiffany has since filed for divorce. This may have mentally put pressure on him to earn as much money as possible when the money was out there."
I thought there might be a chance of him just taking more respectable bookings. Looks like that isn't going to happen. Flair's going to be whoring himself out for any mark with a dollar.
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Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 10:55 pm |
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Wow, now I'm thinking I should've picked him in the death pool. This won't end well. I was thinking at least with his wife babysitting him MAYBE he would stay out of half the trouble we all knew he'd get into after retirement.
Last edited on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 10:56 pm by srossi
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