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KGB wrote: WongLee wrote: KGB wrote: WongLee wrote:  He said Vince the Elder told him he was losing the strap to Sheiky at the 12/26/83 MSG show on the 12/3/83 TV tapings.

Does anyone know exactly when Jr. got Hogan's committment?  Because it would seem that as soon as Hogan put his name on a contract, Backlund's reign was all but over.  Does Bob say anything in the book about what he knew regarding Vinnie's plans for Hogan and how it would affect his status with the company?

I'm really looking forward to getting this book. 

Backlund says he had no idea at all they were going to take the strap off him until the early December TV tapings. He didn't even know Hogan was coming in until a couple of weeks later and when they approached him to have Hogan come out to "second" him on TV in late December against the 9 Samoans, he knew Hogan would be the face of the company. Bob also said that Vinny Mac had told him he would be winning the strap back on the 1/84 MSG card after the 12/83 loss. However, a week later at the TV tapings, Vinny told him the plans had changed. Soon after that, Vinny started to plant the seed for Bob turning heel which he turned down flat.

Come on.  Backlund had to know that any promise of winning the belt back in January was hogwash.  What would be the point in dropping it in the first place?  Knowing about Koloff, Stasiak, and, to an extent, Graham, he must have seen the writing on the wall even if he didn't know who would replace him.   
He said in the book that he was surprised they took it off him because the houses were still excellent all through the territory. Also, Backlund says he never got involved whatsoever with how Vince the Elder ran his business unlike Sammartino. Up until the very end it was Vince Sr. who gave him his bookings for the month and finishes for the Garden. He had little interaction with Vinny Mac. Maybe it's a case of ignorance was bliss.



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FWIW, Tom Burke.posted a 10/01/83 lineup from Springfield and a Mark Tomol wondered aloud if this was the show Backlund refers to. Eddie was booked against Butcher Vachon and Bob headlines vs. Slaughter, however the results list Vachon faced and defeated Chuck Tanner with no mention of a substitution. Burke did not attend the card to verify anything. Is Mark Tomol here?

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One Fan Gang wrote: FWIW, Tom Burke.posted a 10/01/83 lineup from Springfield and a Mark Tomol wondered aloud if this was the show Backlund refers to. Eddie was booked against Butcher Vachon and Bob headlines vs. Slaughter, however the results list Vachon faced and defeated Chuck Tanner with no mention of a substitution. Burke did not attend the card to verify anything. Is Mark Tomol hereThis Tomol guy is the scum of the earth. I hear he has Al-Qaeda ties and has a YouTube channel dedicated to him drowning beagle puppies. Beej would never let a guy like that in here.



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So WongLee = "Tomol the Scummy"? :)

Last edited on Fri Oct 2nd, 2015 07:50 pm by khawk

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khawk wrote: So WongLee = "Tomol the Scummy"? :)
I'm just an Italian/Hungarian kid from Queens who was adopted by a WWWF jobber from Hong Kong who worked in a Chinese restaurant on Queens Boulevard when he wasn't being broken in two by Steele, Tanaka, Stasiak, Jonathan and Hennig.



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You can be just another Mark around these parts.

Forgive me, for often, I know not even who I am myself.

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One Fan Gang wrote: Forgive me, for often, I know not even who I am myself.
You're a 6'8", 400+ lb bisexual former pro wrestler. You transformed at one point into a large African white dude that liked to dance.
Hope that helps!

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WongLee wrote: When Gilbert came into the territory, Vince Sr. actually really did ask Bob to mentor him. Even in the WWF, Gilbert had a raging drug problem and Vince the Elder wanted Backlund to help keep Eddie in line because Bob really didn't have any bad habits. After about two weeks Backlund said fuck this shit, this kid doesn't want to help himself at all. Another few weeks later they are both on a card in Springfield MA and Gilbert was so fucked up he could barely stand up in the ring. Bob completely broke kayfabe and went out to the ring in the middle of Gilberts match and dragged him back to the locker room before he killed himself or his opponent. Vince Sr. got wind of it and Backlund was relieved of his babysitting duties much to Bob's relief.I'm just finishing this book and have some other thoughts that I'll post later, but I wanted to revisit this topic.  You got the city wrong, WongLee.  Backlund said that this match took place in Salisbury, MD, not Springfield, MA (p. 429).  However, something still doesn't add up.  According to the history of the WWE website, Gilbert wrestled twice in Salisbury during this time frame.  The first time was on 2/13/83.  On that day he was in a tag team match and Backlund main evented against Fuji, who was subbing for Graham.  But Backlund said the incident in question happened during a singles match.  Gilbert wrestled again in Salisbury on 4/10/83 and this time it was a singles match, but Backlund was wrestling in Fairfax, VA that day. 

So, if it did happen, it must have been the February card and Bob's simply forgot that it was a tag match.  That might actually make more sense as the match could have gone on without one of the participants.  But in the end, I think this one smells like something of a concoction by Backlund. 



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Yes this is a good book. I as a youth was a big Backlund fan. I seen him dozens of times in Philadelphia. He talked of drinking beer with Andre and I was surprised by that. I would give this book a decent review.

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Finished this the other day and I have to say it is absolutely money well spent.  Not only does it go into great detail about a time and place in wrestling history that few others have addressed, but it does so in a way that's very satisfying.  In fact, there are very few questions left from the Bob Backlund W(W)WF era; he's provided background on just about every major angle of that era.  In some ways it reads like a fleshed-out version of a Wrestling Observer obituary in terms of the details it includes and the history it brings to life.  The fact that Backlund was a rarity -- a clean living wrestler -- helps with the credibility of the book as you feel you can accept as fact his recollections. 

Just a few thoughts I have:

1) I wish he would have included something about the Tiger Mask/Dynamite Kid MSG matches, such as how they were viewed by the rest of the talent and what did Sr. think of the long-term prospects of high-spot based wrestling? 

2) I thought it was very odd that he basically said nothing about winning the tag titles with Pedro at Shea Stadium.  Having a world champion become one half of the world tag champs was rare and it begs all sorts of questions about why Sr. went this route.  Why take the belts off the Samoans if you were just going to immediately strip the new champs?  I get that you're trying to create the draw of a TV tournament to crown new champs but they just put the belts right back on the Samoans.  The entire scenario was odd and I feel like Backlund would have been the guy to provide answers.

3) I liked that in the first half of the book he included dollar amounts on payoffs for the various territories, up to and including what he would get as WWWF champ for an MSG main event, but I wish he would have provided even more details such as his yearly take.  Did he make more in 1983 than in, say, 1979?  What was he spending on travel as champ?  If he did a show for Eddie Graham or Sam Muchnick did they pay for his travel and lodging or did it all come out of his pocket?  What could he expect to make on a typical Japan tour?

4) Similarly, I wish he would have been explicit on what Jr. offered him to turn heel in 1984.  He said he still has the contract.  I'm sure that with some strategic redactions it could have been included in the photo section. 

5) It sounds like the biggest, and maybe the only, disappointment with the book is how it essentially tails off after he leaves the Fed in 1984.  There must have been some more Pro Wrestling USA insights.  How could he competely ignore his stint in the UWF (Japan), where he was in main events and wrestling a professional style that he lamented was disappearing?  And of course the Mr. Backlund era was also lacking.  Here also was where there were a couple factual errors.  For example, it's mentioned that the WWF was foundering and was losing the Monday Night War to WCW, when Nitro didn't even debut for another year and it would take longer than that for WCW to consistently win in the ratings.   

But all in all, this is the best wrestling book I've ever read.  Maybe you have to have been from the Northeast and have experienced this era, but even if you weren't, even if every name and event in this book is foreign to you, it's still a great read.  I can't recommend this any higher.   



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I can tell you from a fans perspective that the Tiger Mask/Dyno match left virtually everyone in the Garden with their jaws dropped to the sticky floor. There had never been anything even remotely close to this in the Greater New York area. Not even the palest of pale imitation. When one of them teased a dive from the top rope on to the floor the crowd let out an audible gasp as if Christ came down off the cross right in front of us. Looking back on the match now it seems quaint at best.

It would have been nice if Bobby fleshed out the Shea card more. He went into such great depth on how McMahon booked I too would have loved to hear what he had to say on the little pre-match meeting no doubt held right near the Mets dugout.

I'm one of the few it seems who thought that the amount of time and space he used to delve into the post 1984 stuff was just about perfect.



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I've gotta get a copy of this.



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I would have figured you to be the guy at the front of the line to get this!

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I'm a little more than halfway through and it's fantastic so far, but I'll save a review until I've finished it.



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One Fan Gang wrote: In working on a Gilbert record book, which is far from complete... There is a 12/04/83 Springfield show where Gilbert beat Swede Hanson but Backlund is not on the show. The on camera mentoring stuff started in 1983. Gilbert came back from his car crash after about 9 weeks, and even after the Masked Superstar reinjury angle, he worked a tour of Japan while selling it. I can imagine Eddie on painkillers might have been part of that equation.
Backlund did team with Gilbert on a 12/25/82 television match and he rarely had tv matches in those days. Perhaps behind the scenes they may have him start to mentor Gilbert before the car accident.



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