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 Posted: Tue Dec 29th, 2015 05:11 am
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Can somebody please explain to me the association of the WWWF cards and these being aired on HBO?   Were these aired live?  If they were aired live on HBO, did they show them more than the live airing at a different time?  Are these cards now recognized as an assumption that these recordings were saved and could be in the vault due to the HBO association?


Does everybody remember the "Superstar" Billy Graham space posters?  Can anybody find or have an image of this poster that they can post here?  I was reading a blurb from SBG's book, I believe, in which he discusses the poster as his idea and something he paid for in regards to production and advertisements.  The WWWF had no problem with him marketing himself without them receiving a cut?  I remember the televised ads were on during wrestling programs.   Are these posters available  anywhere today?  






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I had a 'SBG Space Poster' a few years back.
It was small. Not really in good shape. Got it from Bud Carson.
It was basically a cartoon of Graham and a 'sabre tooth tiger'

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there is an ad for the SSBG Space poster on one of the old MSG broadcasts (not 24/7)
It's about a minute long and features Billy schlepping his awesome space poster (with a space leopard or some such thing)

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In the early days of HBO, they didn't have access to a lot of content. I think it took a few years for the channel to get access to a truly wide variety of top flight movies. Plus there weren't many cable channels back then, especially ones with original content. Since HBO was based in New York, but had a narrow enough reach that this wouldn't hurt the box office, it was able to cut a deal with Madison Square Garden to air a select number of Knicks and Rangers games along with other events like the WWWF and boxing. I'm not sure if any concerts made the air. Between the network and the promotion, there's a decent chance the tapes survive although the condition and format could be an issue.

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couldn't find a Goggle search for it.



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I remember it. Do you think SBG is telling the truth that this poster was solely paid for by him? Was the WWWF involved at all, as in allowing it and cutting a cut of the proceeds?

Beej,

This may interest you. The Sammartino & Strongbow vs. The Valiants tag match was the headliner on the MSG card of January 1975. The Valiants were beaten to bloody pulps. It says that this card was not broadcast on HBO but it was surrounded before and after cards which were shown on HBO. I was wondering if HBO would have refused to air it due to the bloodshed?



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That Strongbow & Bruno vs Valiants sounds like maybe something else aired that night. Boxing, whatever. 

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Another thing to remember is that even though HBO was based in New York, the only New Yorkers who had cable up until around 1983 were Manhattanites. The boroughs were not wired at all until well into the eighties.

Wrestling was an odd thing in the 70's and forgive me if I'm going to far off the thread subject. In large cities like New York and Los Angeles, the sellouts at the Olympic Auditorium and MSG were almost the exact same people every single month. It was only slightly better for the television shows. The ratings on the UHF channels were probably literally a 0.1 or 0.2. You know who was watching this shit? We were. The older guys on these message boards. It wasn't a fashionable thing like it became during the Monday Night Wars or even before that with the advent of Hulkamania. Very few people watched 70's wrestling in the big cities. Mike Lebell famously said that he didn't want to hold the Blassie - Tolos blowoff at the Los Angeles Coliseum because he honestly didn't believe that there were 25,000 wrestling fans in the Greater Los Angeles area. He was just about right as that show drew just about 25,000. Professional wrestling in the NYC and L.A. was a niche of a niche. Rant over.



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WongLee wrote: Another thing to remember is that even though HBO was based in New York, the only New Yorkers who had cable up until around 1983 were Manhattanites. The boroughs were not wired at all until well into the eighties.

Wrestling was an odd thing in the 70's and forgive me if I'm going to far off the thread subject. In large cities like New York and Los Angeles, the sellouts at the Olympic Auditorium and MSG were almost the exact same people every single month. It was only slightly better for the television shows. The ratings on the UHF channels were probably literally a 0.1 or 0.2. You know who was watching this shit? We were. The older guys on these message boards. It wasn't a fashionable thing like it became during the Monday Night Wars or even before that with the advent of Hulkamania. Very few people watched 70's wrestling in the big cities. Mike Lebell famously said that he didn't want to hold the Blassie - Tolos blowoff at the Los Angeles Coliseum because he honestly didn't believe that there were 25,000 wrestling fans in the Greater Los Angeles area. He was just about right as that show drew just about 25,000. Professional wrestling in the NYC and L.A. was a niche of a niche. Rant over.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/27/weekinreview/the-region-cable-tv-a-long-history-of-delays-and-scandals.html
According to that link looks the wiring was finally done in NYC in the fall of '87.



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Papa Voo wrote: I remember it. Do you think SBG is telling the truth that this poster was solely paid for by him? Was the WWWF involved at all, as in allowing it and cutting a cut of the proceeds?




He paid for it and they collected the money for it?
I believe (fuzzy memory) the commercial said to send the check or money order to 'Space Poster' at a PO Box. 

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I am pretty sure there are several commercials in nice quality for it on the
November/December 78 shows from wor that circulate.

I think it starts out with "hey kids.......

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WongLee wrote: Another thing to remember is that even though HBO was based in New York, the only New Yorkers who had cable up until around 1983 were Manhattanites. The boroughs were not wired at all until well into the eighties.

Wrestling was an odd thing in the 70's and forgive me if I'm going to far off the thread subject. In large cities like New York and Los Angeles, the sellouts at the Olympic Auditorium and MSG were almost the exact same people every single month. It was only slightly better for the television shows. The ratings on the UHF channels were probably literally a 0.1 or 0.2. You know who was watching this shit? We were. The older guys on these message boards. It wasn't a fashionable thing like it became during the Monday Night Wars or even before that with the advent of Hulkamania. Very few people watched 70's wrestling in the big cities. Mike Lebell famously said that he didn't want to hold the Blassie - Tolos blowoff at the Los Angeles Coliseum because he honestly didn't believe that there were 25,000 wrestling fans in the Greater Los Angeles area. He was just about right as that show drew just about 25,000. Professional wrestling in the NYC and L.A. was a niche of a niche. Rant over.

All the back and forth with what survives on tape and what hasn't always interests me and I enjoy these discussions about how the TV landscape and wrestling evolved together.

Perhaps the lack of '70s footage (and earlier), and the possible WWE prevention of spreading around this footage, should it exist in the library, is due to this sort of "stereo type" and niche of the nice as stated??  Vince obviously was around during all of this and maybe experienced this sort of negative and niche sentiment.




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