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 Posted: Mon Jul 11th, 2016 01:10 am
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I absolutely do not get the Enzo & Cass lovefest. THey are the same shtick week after week and its juvenile and beyond annoying. I know many guys have had repetitive promos I get it. But their stuff is just horrendous and I see absolutely nothing special once the bell rings. As far as I can see its just me but I don't get them.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 11th, 2016 08:26 am
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NCJames wrote: I absolutely do not get the Enzo & Cass lovefest. THey are the same shtick week after week and its juvenile and beyond annoying. I know many guys have had repetitive promos I get it. But their stuff is just horrendous and I see absolutely nothing special once the bell rings. As far as I can see its just me but I don't get them.
They can do more, but WWE likes the repetitiveness for the catchphrases and chants and familiarity.  They did the same thing with the New Age Outlaws and Road Dogg could do a lot more on the mic too.



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 Posted: Mon Jul 11th, 2016 09:43 am
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There's also the subliminal thing that the crowd thinks that THEY made Enzo & Cass. The whole joining in thing is part of that - "they're our guys". Like an underground band suddenly having a gigantic hit. Weezer or Flaming Lips.



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NCJames wrote: I absolutely do not get the Enzo & Cass lovefest. THey are the same shtick week after week and its juvenile and beyond annoying. 
Thank God - I was starting to think that I was the only one that hated their shtick. It got real irritating after about 2 weeks........and you can't teach that !!!!

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-70s` WWWF is super underrated. It`s not crisp, but wrestling shouldn`t be "clean and crisp" anyway. Plus, most knew how to make an irish whip to the ropes look less stupid that it actually is.

-Bruno may be the most underrated wrestler by today`s fans. I refuse to believe that anyone, after watching Bruno going insane and brutalizing his opponent on the ropes like a MMA fighter, could call him "boring". I think many people are predetermined to think of many old timers as "boring". This isn`t coming from and old timey fan, by the way.

-Bayley is a creep.

-I don`t want to see a full nelson sitout slam EVER again.

-Giant Gonzales and Kahli weren`t good by any means, but far from being the worst of all time.

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The people who surprised me on WWWF comps in a good way were the guys nobody ever talks about like Johnny Rivera. If you're trying to sell the usual heavyweights to me I'll just laugh and laugh.
And I don't think as long as Bruno's fans are alive that he'll ever be really underrated. Right now I'd say Rocca is probably more underrated, though that is mainly based on the premise that he must have had some good points to have become the #1 in the business at some point. Otherwise I believe Morales, Blassie and Buddy Rogers are a lot more underrated compared to Bruno. Hell, you might even be able to name Denucci, Tony Marino and even Johnny DeFazio in such a context. It sure would be nice to have some Denucci footage from his rookie days in Montreal



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I`ve NEVER heard anyone say nothing but praises for Rocca, and for good reasons.

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squishy wrote: I`ve NEVER heard anyone say nothing but praises for Rocca, and for good reasons.
Read "Hooker" by Lou Thesz.  he was not fond of Rocca



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Speaking of Hooker. I never agreed with Thesz's opinion that Buddy Rogers wasn't a tough guy. No of course Buddy couldn't hook. However, he was in there with the very elite of his day every single night at a time when there were TONS of shooters and hookers wrestling full time. There are quite a few tapes of Rogers out there from the 50's and he chain wrestles wonderfully. Plus there's the story which made national headlines in the early 90's where a 70 something Buddy stops in at his favorite diner for breakfast and some well built guy in his 30's starts harassing Buddy's favorite waitress. Rogers sprung into action and KO'ed the guy cold right on the diner floor.



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WongLee wrote: Speaking of Hooker. I never agreed with Thesz's opinion that Buddy Rogers wasn't a tough guy. No of course Buddy couldn't hook. However, he was in there with the very elite of his day every single night at a time when there were TONS of shooters and hookers wrestling full time. There are quite a few tapes of Rogers out there from the 50's and he chain wrestles wonderfully. Plus there's the story which made national headlines in the early 90's where a 70 something Buddy stops in at his favorite diner for breakfast and some well built guy in his 30's starts harassing Buddy's favorite waitress. Rogers sprung into action and KO'ed the guy cold right on the diner floor.Rogers was ex police when the only criteria to be a cop was whether you can kick the shit out of people. 
My addition is that Bruiser Brody was the Kevin Nash of his time in America. No other guy took so much but gave so little back to the promoter. Brody knew he couldn't draw long term so he would  limit his bookings to mostly  second rate or dying territories. Through his relationship with Meltzer he was able to maintain the narrative that it was always some booker or promoters fault when he had to walk out on them. Then also the only reason none of the big offices wanted him was that they couldn't afford him. The statement though on its face true but dubious because he knew Crockett, Gagne or vince wouldn't match the Japanese pay because they knew he couldn't generate the business to justify it. 

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mrwaukegan wrote: WongLee wrote: Speaking of Hooker. I never agreed with Thesz's opinion that Buddy Rogers wasn't a tough guy. No of course Buddy couldn't hook. However, he was in there with the very elite of his day every single night at a time when there were TONS of shooters and hookers wrestling full time. There are quite a few tapes of Rogers out there from the 50's and he chain wrestles wonderfully. Plus there's the story which made national headlines in the early 90's where a 70 something Buddy stops in at his favorite diner for breakfast and some well built guy in his 30's starts harassing Buddy's favorite waitress. Rogers sprung into action and KO'ed the guy cold right on the diner floor.Rogers was ex police when the only criteria to be a cop was whether you can kick the shit out of people. 
My addition is that Bruiser Brody was the Kevin Nash of his time in America. No other guy took so much but gave so little back to the promoter. Brody knew he couldn't draw long term so he would  limit his bookings to mostly  second rate or dying territories. Through his relationship with Meltzer he was able to maintain the narrative that it was always some booker or promoters fault when he had to walk out on them. Then also the only reason none of the big offices wanted him was that they couldn't afford him. The statement though on its face true but dubious because he knew Crockett, Gagne or vince wouldn't match the Japanese pay because they knew he couldn't generate the business to justify it.
Meltz is gay for da Brods.  Also, anything from Japan.



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I've never seen anything worthy from Brody in the ring.



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If a cruiserweight does stuff like suplexes and shit, where the opponent does all the work, he gets the merit. When the cruiserweight does flippy shit the he can do by himself, he gets the merit (and rightfully so, I`m not denying that). When a big guy does a power move all by himself that doesn`t involve lifting his opponent 6 feet onto the air because real throws doesn`t fucking work like that, he doesn`t get the merit.

Basically, ANYTHING that happens on the CWC is amazing. Wrestler touches himself? Amazing. With capital letters "LOOK WHAT HE CAN DO". Wrestler opens an account on sportsandwrestling? Amazing. Wrestler grows a mullet? Amazing.

Actually the last one is.

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squishy wrote: If a cruiserweight does stuff like suplexes and shit, where the opponent does all the work, he gets the merit. When the cruiserweight does flippy shit the he can do by himself, he gets the merit (and rightfully so, I`m not denying that). When a big guy does a power move all by himself that doesn`t involve lifting his opponent 6 feet onto the air because real throws doesn`t fucking work like that, he doesn`t get the merit.

I don't know about that.  The most credit Hogan ever got from the IWC was slamming Andre because everyone knew Andre wasn't physically capable of helping with it much.  And when I think of Lex Luger, I think of him getting the torture rack not only on The Giant, but even more impressively on 450-pound obese WCW jobber Roadblock.  The early IWC was pretty enamored with that, and they never gave Luger much credit for anything. 



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mrwaukegan wrote: WongLee wrote: Speaking of Hooker. I never agreed with Thesz's opinion that Buddy Rogers wasn't a tough guy. No of course Buddy couldn't hook. However, he was in there with the very elite of his day every single night at a time when there were TONS of shooters and hookers wrestling full time. There are quite a few tapes of Rogers out there from the 50's and he chain wrestles wonderfully. Plus there's the story which made national headlines in the early 90's where a 70 something Buddy stops in at his favorite diner for breakfast and some well built guy in his 30's starts harassing Buddy's favorite waitress. Rogers sprung into action and KO'ed the guy cold right on the diner floor.Rogers was ex police when the only criteria to be a cop was whether you can kick the shit out of people. 
My addition is that Bruiser Brody was the Kevin Nash of his time in America. No other guy took so much but gave so little back to the promoter. Brody knew he couldn't draw long term so he would  limit his bookings to mostly  second rate or dying territories. Through his relationship with Meltzer he was able to maintain the narrative that it was always some booker or promoters fault when he had to walk out on them. Then also the only reason none of the big offices wanted him was that they couldn't afford him. The statement though on its face true but dubious because he knew Crockett, Gagne or vince wouldn't match the Japanese pay because they knew he couldn't generate the business to justify it. 

"Brody knew he couldn't draw long term so he would  limit his bookings to mostly  second rate or dying territories"
Oh, so you knew what Brody's thoughts were do you MrWaukegan? You KNEW that Brody knew did you now......yeah, right, ok there bud.And Kargol is just up and up trolling about Brody.......The only thing I'll say to you is....NASCAR BLOWS Formula1 away when it comes to exciting racing. When the race's only exciting moment lately in about 80% of the races is between when the red lights go out to the first corner during lap 1....well.....Oh and that only applies during the times when they don't start the first 10 laps of the races behind the virtual safety car, which negates any excitement altogether.
So just stop with the bullshit "Never seen anything worthy from Brody in the ring"....Just piss poor trolling......I'd like to have seen what Brody would have done with Big Daddy if he ever got him in the ring.....Kargol has a terrible case of Crabtreeitis on the brain....Oh btw Kazuo Sakurada did Kendo Nagasaki so much better than that dwarfitis nosed hack you had over in 'Ol Limeytown.......Your Eurotrash is rubbing off on MrWaukegan too btw.
Frank Bruiser Brody was a Jezus Christ like messiah to pro rass from about '76 till the night he died in '88.
I mean stop it....just stop it....stop the trolling.

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