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 Posted: Tue Aug 8th, 2017 03:38 pm
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I'm 'in and out' with today's wrestling so maybe it isn't the best perspective but I remember him and Maryse getting squashed at Wrestlemania , the Miztourage getting beat in a handicap match by Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose and then get destroyed by Brock.



Really like The Miz / Maryse and think they are making a mistake.

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I think that the persona you see on TV isn't that far from his persona backstage, and I don't mean that in a negative at all. I think Miz isn't afraid to tell anybody exactly what is on his mind and that goes all the way up to Vince McMahon. If he doesn't like something, he will tell you that, and that rubs people the wrong way because he just doesn't toe the company line.



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Maybe putting others over is viewed as an asset and that is part of the reason he has had such a long run.

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Because he's shown he can get himself back over after he is devalued.



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He's a mid-card champ and has been on and off for a year-and-a-half now. What else do people want? Miz headlining Wrestlemania again? 

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That's the "miz"tery!!

Why they keep burying the best mike-guy, heat-getter, fall-guy is a shame. Perhaps he does rub some the wrong way backstage.

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Duh, it's because Miz is AWESOME!!!!



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Last night I don't consider a burial.  Getting destroyed by Lesnar is almost a compliment.  In the past they've certainly buried him, but I think he's in a much better spot now.  He really shouldn't be much higher than I-C/U.S. title level anyway, and that's where he's back to now.  The problem is when you've been around as long as The Miz, and he's been around a very long time now, and you're on TV every week for more than a decade, there's a point where there's nothing left to do with a guy.  I think Maryse and the Miz-tourage have freshened him up, and I hope that Dallas and Axel get a legit tag team run out of this, but as for The Miz he's held the secondary belts 116 times and already had his "push to the moon" year like 8 years ago, it's tough to find new things for him.  Back in the territory days, he would've been gone years ago doing the same schtick in other territories before coming back again.  Now there's just this horrible sameness to everyone and everything that makes it all seem boring as fuck. 

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There was a period of time when the WWF/WWE was able to compensate for guys getting stale by coming up with new gimmicks or twists on existing gimmicks.

- Billy Gunn went from a Smoking Gunn to the poorly conceived and possible punishment Rockabilly and then became a New Age Outlaw.

- Val Venis went as far as he could with the porn gimmick then became a serious wrestler and then was in RTC followed by his stint as Chief Morley, once again playing it serious with some revivals of the tired and dated porn gimmick along the way.

- Charles Wright went from Papa Shango to Kama with an early UFC gimmick (not acknowledged as the same person) then became Kama in the Nation doing a Black Power thing then a bowler hat wearing and cigar chomping non comedic early version of the Godfather before going full pimp daddy and then RTC.

- Big Bossman went from wearing a blue police/corrections officer outfit to a SWAT outfit and in a last gasp at pushing him was wearing a suit and tie like Big Bubba Rogers.

- New Day went from their original separate gimmicks to Black Power oriented to positive gospel types to goofballs.

- JBL was a Stan Hansen clone then a Blackjack and a derivative to whatever the Acolytes were originally supposed to be a barroom brawler to JR Ewing.

Although there are good examples of this happening recently, I think the WWE is worse at reshaping guys than ever before. Miz has had a few reboots and Axel and Dallas just were, but sometimes the changes for guys generally aren't great enough to make a difference.

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srossi wrote: Last night I don't consider a burial.  Getting destroyed by Lesnar is almost a compliment.  In the past they've certainly buried him, but I think he's in a much better spot now.  He really shouldn't be much higher than I-C/U.S. title level anyway, and that's where he's back to now.  The problem is when you've been around as long as The Miz, and he's been around a very long time now, and you're on TV every week for more than a decade, there's a point where there's nothing left to do with a guy.  I think Maryse and the Miz-tourage have freshened him up, and I hope that Dallas and Axel get a legit tag team run out of this, but as for The Miz he's held the secondary belts 116 times and already had his "push to the moon" year like 8 years ago, it's tough to find new things for him.  Back in the territory days, he would've been gone years ago doing the same schtick in other territories before coming back again.  Now there's just this horrible sameness to everyone and everything that makes it all seem boring as fuck. 
Oh please they moved him from Smackdown to Raw when he was the hottest thing smoking and would probably been a better champion than the Modern day Maharajah. This Raw thing had cooled what was looking like a world champion run for the Miz.

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krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: Last night I don't consider a burial.  Getting destroyed by Lesnar is almost a compliment.  In the past they've certainly buried him, but I think he's in a much better spot now.  He really shouldn't be much higher than I-C/U.S. title level anyway, and that's where he's back to now.  The problem is when you've been around as long as The Miz, and he's been around a very long time now, and you're on TV every week for more than a decade, there's a point where there's nothing left to do with a guy.  I think Maryse and the Miz-tourage have freshened him up, and I hope that Dallas and Axel get a legit tag team run out of this, but as for The Miz he's held the secondary belts 116 times and already had his "push to the moon" year like 8 years ago, it's tough to find new things for him.  Back in the territory days, he would've been gone years ago doing the same schtick in other territories before coming back again.  Now there's just this horrible sameness to everyone and everything that makes it all seem boring as fuck. 
Oh please they moved him from Smackdown to Raw when he was the hottest thing smoking and would probably been a better champion than the Modern day Maharajah. This Raw thing had cooled what was looking like a world champion run for the Miz.

Yeah it really is interesting to see how they do this stuff now.  I agree, after the Daniel Bryan Talking Smack incident, I was ready to see Miz move to the top of the card for the first time (unlike years ago).  I do think he was over more than Mihal at that time.  Considering the fact that the Universal Champion doesn't wrestle regularly at all, I think Miz being less of a push over would be a good thing.  After all, the ratings over the last year or so haven't been overwhelming, so perhaps it is time to take a look at some of the current booking.


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Boz1515 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: Last night I don't consider a burial.  Getting destroyed by Lesnar is almost a compliment.  In the past they've certainly buried him, but I think he's in a much better spot now.  He really shouldn't be much higher than I-C/U.S. title level anyway, and that's where he's back to now.  The problem is when you've been around as long as The Miz, and he's been around a very long time now, and you're on TV every week for more than a decade, there's a point where there's nothing left to do with a guy.  I think Maryse and the Miz-tourage have freshened him up, and I hope that Dallas and Axel get a legit tag team run out of this, but as for The Miz he's held the secondary belts 116 times and already had his "push to the moon" year like 8 years ago, it's tough to find new things for him.  Back in the territory days, he would've been gone years ago doing the same schtick in other territories before coming back again.  Now there's just this horrible sameness to everyone and everything that makes it all seem boring as fuck. 
Oh please they moved him from Smackdown to Raw when he was the hottest thing smoking and would probably been a better champion than the Modern day Maharajah. This Raw thing had cooled what was looking like a world champion run for the Miz.

Yeah it really is interesting to see how they do this stuff now.  I agree, after the Daniel Bryan Talking Smack incident, I was ready to see Miz move to the top of the card for the first time (unlike years ago).  I do think he was over more than Mihal at that time.  Considering the fact that the Universal Champion doesn't wrestle regularly at all, I think Miz being less of a push over would be a good thing.  After all, the ratings over the last year or so haven't been overwhelming, so perhaps it is time to take a look at some of the current booking.

It was in the cards he had a huge fued with Ziggler and a great fued with Ambrose , and carried the mix tag team match promos and fued for Wrestlemania and i thought then the natural progression was to beat Randy Orton and become the World Champ but then they moved him to Raw and try to see if he could do the impossible twice and carry Dean Ambrose to another great fued but that failed and he is stuck back in the shuffle

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A simple question to anyone who asks why main eventer X is being buried: How would you go about keeping ALL of the top talent in the top spot ALL the time without anyone losing any matches or being made to look less than strong?

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srossi wrote: Last night I don't consider a burial.  Getting destroyed by Lesnar is almost a compliment.  In the past they've certainly buried him, but I think he's in a much better spot now.  He really shouldn't be much higher than I-C/U.S. title level anyway, and that's where he's back to now.  The problem is when you've been around as long as The Miz, and he's been around a very long time now, and you're on TV every week for more than a decade, there's a point where there's nothing left to do with a guy.  I think Maryse and the Miz-tourage have freshened him up, and I hope that Dallas and Axel get a legit tag team run out of this, but as for The Miz he's held the secondary belts 116 times and already had his "push to the moon" year like 8 years ago, it's tough to find new things for him.  Back in the territory days, he would've been gone years ago doing the same schtick in other territories before coming back again.  Now there's just this horrible sameness to everyone and everything that makes it all seem boring as fuck. 
Excellent point made above- back in the days of the territories, Miz could have just moved on to Smoky Mountain, then to Memphis, Continental, etc.
Having made it to the "big time" all you can do is tweak here and there the gimmick and move him back and forth from Raw to Smackdown then back to Raw again.

Edit- and by no way would Miz even consider moving "down" to feds like GFW, ROH, etc.

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DaClyde wrote: A simple question to anyone who asks why main eventer X is being buried: How would you go about keeping ALL of the top talent in the top spot ALL the time without anyone losing any matches or being made to look less than strong?

I don't have a good answer because I'm not a creative person but they need to come up with a few formulas where people elevate, plateau, descend and then go away under contract and return in a,b,c or d amount of time. 

I know the jobbers are never coming back but they need to have a few JTTS and have them job week after week and then send them to NXT to be reborn or whatever and bring them up a second time as improved wrestlers. At least then you can have people win clean and not hurt someone else. Maybe get to a 70/30 booking instead of a 50/50. 

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