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The National Wrestling Alliance is officially Billy Corgan's.

As of 10/1, all existing licensing agreements for the promotion's affiliates have expired, putting Corgan in complete control of the brand and its championships.

The first inkling of direction for the NWA in terms of story will begin on this weekend's Championship Wrestling from Hollywood TV, which will feature NWA champion Tim Storm. Once the material airs on CWH TV, the content will be made available by the NWA via a number of different platforms.

The plan is to build digital content around several names and develop talent, using the NWA brand name and the NWA World title as the cornerstones with a modern, sports-oriented presentation. The hope is to build a new culture and process for pro wrestling, developing something unique from what WWE and Impact have.

While there is no timetable, the hope is to build to something of a modern day studio wrestling show, with the old Georgia Championship Wrestling being referenced as a potential creative inspiration. Corgan is taking the project slowly with the belief that every decision has to be measured. They are not going to rush to signing talents or running shows just for the sake of doing that.

Corgan spoke with Sports Illustrated's Justin Barrasso today about the NWA at this link. “People asked, ‘What are you buying?’” explained Corgan. “We’ve looked at how the WWE has positioned itself and how Anthem has positioned Impact Wrestling, and now a brand like the NWA, which has built-in recognition value and a history that is unmatched, suddenly starts to become more valuable in this shifting landscape. Maybe we’re not so crazy for buying these three letters after all.” Corgan also said that he has intimate knowledge of all the mistakes made by Impact and isn't going to just spend a ton of money for a few years. He is taking a "slow and steady wins the race" stance.



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bpickering wrote: “People asked, ‘What are you buying?’” explained Corgan. “We’ve looked at how the WWE has positioned itself and how Anthem has positioned Impact Wrestling, and now a brand like the NWA, which has built-in recognition value and a history that is unmatched, suddenly starts to become more valuable in this shifting landscape. Maybe we’re not so crazy for buying these three letters after all.”
Nope, still crazy.



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So if all the contracts have expired, does that mean there are currently no NWA affiliates? Or will the current affiliates be allowed to coast along using the name until Corgan figures out what he wants to do?

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DaClyde wrote: So if all the contracts have expired, does that mean there are currently no NWA affiliates? Or will the current affiliates be allowed to coast along using the name until Corgan figures out what he wants to do?
They were forced to stop using the NWA name after this weekend's shows. 

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Championship Wrestling From Hollywood was added to 110 CW affiliates today, in time to air this weekend's show featuring the in-ring debut of Alberto El Patron and the debut of NWA champion Tim Storm.  CWFH also has been available via the FITE TV app for many months and has been growing slowly but surely, trading talent with CZW and bringing in international stars like Kikutaro.  They also use well-travelled indy stars who reside in California like Joey Ryan and Rocky Romero, although they usually put over the locals.  I would assume that all of Corgan's focus is on this company right now.  It has more visibility than anything else the NWA can promote, and it's owned by Dave Marquez, an old NWA promoter instrumental in booking the Cabana-Pearce feud when the title last meant something.  I wouldn't be surprised if the NWA letters are added to the show this week.    

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Yeah sounds like Corgan is presently more interested in having other groups use the NWA name and title to keep it out there until he decides if/when to launch his own promotion. Dave Marquez definitely has an affinity for the NWA and is obviously receptive to working with Corgan as opposed to Bruce Tharpe, who ran off just about everyone who was involved with the old Pro Wrestling Organization, LLC structure that Marquez was a part of.



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Lemme guess, is his answer a female bassist that cant play?



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Who is in the Tharpe camp?



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Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.

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BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Not at the level that the market could support both WWE and WCW during their heydays, but I don't see any reason why a well-run organization couldn't be a profitable #2.  You look at the ratings TNA got at their peak while doing everything wrong, and I think someone who knew what they were doing could've doubled that viewership, made some money on house shows, PPVs, and merch, kept expenses reasonable, and have been in a good financial spot for years to come.  Even ROH without the TV and with some hiccups along the way have slipped into adequate profitability for many years (for their level, of course).  So the market is definitely there to survive and make everyone a modest living.  But no, there will be no Raw and Nitro both pulling in 8s in opposition to each other ever again.  There's too much outside competition for the entertainment eyeball and dollar. 

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Wrestling is more like TV or music. Could there be space for two successful boybands? Sure, if they are good enough and have decent marketing.
If every promotion/band wants to have the same bland country rap style like Florida Georgia Line, I can see the doubt that there will be enough interest for a competition. But it's about entertainment (and not necessarily better entertainment), so a different style should be able to attract different people. You don't exactly have to expect a Smooth Jazz band or a Lucharesu promotion to be able to sell out MSG, but they will attract some kind of crowd.
And it's all about personality in wrestling anyways. If you had a time machine and would have to go to 1998 in order to tell CM Punk he has to become the biggest wrestler in the world (in order to save mankind from all those disease carrying refugees or something you can relate to), what exactly would you be able to tell him in order to achieve that task?



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BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Yes.  I know we are going on 17 years, but when ECW and WCW both went out in the spring of 2001, their audience didn't start watching WWE.  Half of the wrestling audience eroded when Vince bought WCW - since then, half of WWE's audience eroded too.  TNA got decent ratings, and they grew as the product was compelling.  They sunk when it stopped being interesting.  The three big "ifs" in this are:  If you find somebody that has enough of a bank account that they can lose millions to startup, and if you find somebody that has the ability to book wrestling that people want to see, and if you can get a HUGE name that people want to follow and will commit to 3-4 years, I think you can get off the ground.



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srossi wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Not at the level that the market could support both WWE and WCW during their heydays, but I don't see any reason why a well-run organization couldn't be a profitable #2.  You look at the ratings TNA got at their peak while doing everything wrong, and I think someone who knew what they were doing could've doubled that viewership, made some money on house shows, PPVs, and merch, kept expenses reasonable, and have been in a good financial spot for years to come.  Even ROH without the TV and with some hiccups along the way have slipped into adequate profitability for many years (for their level, of course).  So the market is definitely there to survive and make everyone a modest living.  But no, there will be no Raw and Nitro both pulling in 8s in opposition to each other ever again.  There's too much outside competition for the entertainment eyeball and dollar. 


I agree for the most part, but I, without any data to support my claim, believe that the fanbase in wrestling has shrunk considerably since the early to mid 2000s. There's a lot of factors for this. Oversaturating the product hasn't gained them any fans. I couldn't wait until Monday night to switch back and forth to Raw and Nitro. Then Nitro went 3 hours and then they introduced Thunder. This made the product stale. Also, when TNA was enjoying decent ratings, the UFC didn't take off like a rocket. I firmly believe the UFC stole many wrestling fans, not just because of the product, but also because of the charismatic fighters.

I would like to see another boom. I don't know what it would take. In the 80s, it was the cartoonish WWF. In the 90s it was the edgy NWO and Stone Cold.

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