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Superstar wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Yes.  I know we are going on 17 years, but when ECW and WCW both went out in the spring of 2001, their audience didn't start watching WWE.  Half of the wrestling audience eroded when Vince bought WCW - since then, half of WWE's audience eroded too.  TNA got decent ratings, and they grew as the product was compelling.  They sunk when it stopped being interesting.  The three big "ifs" in this are:  If you find somebody that has enough of a bank account that they can lose millions to startup, and if you find somebody that has the ability to book wrestling that people want to see, and if you can get a HUGE name that people want to follow and will commit to 3-4 years, I think you can get off the ground.


In your opinion, what is it that people want to see? What would it take to spark another boom? 

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BlueThunder wrote: Also, when TNA was enjoying decent ratings, the UFC didn't take off like a rocket. I firmly believe the UFC stole many wrestling fans, not just because of the product, but also because of the charismatic fighters.
I agree 1000% but the problem we are having now is that both the product and the charismatic fighters are not going to be there.  The drug testing has popped some really big names, including two of their biggest draws ever in Jones and Lesnar.  The biggest names are all old, and the young guys coming up aren't really all that exciting or intriguing.  There's no major prospect that has people going "oh shit, I have to see this guy" the way they did with Conor McGregor three years ago.  And the fact that UFC pays it's fighters shit money means that the champions are holding the belts hostage so that they can have Superfights.  Look at Bisping, he hasn't fought since KOing Rockhold.  Rockhold beat Weidman, and Weidman gets hurt all the time but has still fought I think three or four times since Bisping last did.  Rockhold has fought I think twice.  Which is another problem...these guys can't fight four times a year.  Eventually, the crowd is going to turn off of UFC because there will be too many mediocre cards.  Then Dana will start charging more per PPV for the bigger stars, thus showing us the other cards are a step down, and they won't sell at all.

I think wrestling is due for a comeback if only a #2 organization could capture the imagination of the people.  And that's the problem.  HHH was smart enough to realize a few years back that in order to remain dominant, they had to dominate the marketplace starting with the best guys in every PAL or High School Gym.  And that's going to make it super hard for a #2 to compete because these guys are getting a salary to learn how to perform and guaranteed cash is better than a payment every booking.  Only somebody that hates WWE, like CM Punk, could be a real headlining draw with a #2, and even then, the window will close very quickly if they don't grab some headlines fast.



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Most "high school indies" have no imagination whatsoever and the promoter would much rather invest the whole of his savings on paying El Hijo del Hijo del Hijo de Virgil Jr. Jr. Jr. 40 gazillion petrodollars to make a run-in than actually make flyers or fucking update their FB page (hint: it doesn`t cost money). It doesn`t help when you visit, say, "nwakfc.com" and the roster hasn`t been updated in like 50 years.

Corgan could make a good move if he took control of 10 or so former NWA indies and got their shit together.

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BlueThunder wrote:

I would like to see another boom. I don't know what it would take. In the 80s, it was the cartoonish WWF. In the 90s it was the edgy NWO and Stone Cold.

Create mass millennial appeal. Have the wrestlers come out and, instead of cutting promos, have them playing video games against each other while sipping pumpkin spice lattes, and when it's time to wrestle have their parents step into the ring for them since they are whining so much about having to actually do something to earn their paycheck? 
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Well, he's pulled all the local NWA affiliates that Tharpe had going.

I suspect Storm won't be champion for long, though.

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martini wrote: Well, he's pulled all the local NWA affiliates that Tharpe had going.

I suspect Storm won't be champion for long, though.

Well if Storm is part of the 20 year plan, he'll be like 77 years old when it comes to fruition.



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Superstar wrote: martini wrote: Well, he's pulled all the local NWA affiliates that Tharpe had going.

I suspect Storm won't be champion for long, though.

Well if Storm is part of the 20 year plan, he'll be like 77 years old when it comes to fruition.

Dory Funk, Jr. is 76 right now and ready for another run with the NWA title.  Do it Corgan!



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: martini wrote: Well, he's pulled all the local NWA affiliates that Tharpe had going.

I suspect Storm won't be champion for long, though.

Well if Storm is part of the 20 year plan, he'll be like 77 years old when it comes to fruition.

Dory Funk, Jr. is 76 right now and ready for another run with the NWA title.  Do it Corgan!

If this happened and Funk's first defense was in Japan, I guarantee it would sell tickets.  It would blow dogs, but it would draw a better gate than most NWA shows have in the past 25 years.



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BlueThunder wrote: Superstar wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Yes.  I know we are going on 17 years, but when ECW and WCW both went out in the spring of 2001, their audience didn't start watching WWE.  Half of the wrestling audience eroded when Vince bought WCW - since then, half of WWE's audience eroded too.  TNA got decent ratings, and they grew as the product was compelling.  They sunk when it stopped being interesting.  The three big "ifs" in this are:  If you find somebody that has enough of a bank account that they can lose millions to startup, and if you find somebody that has the ability to book wrestling that people want to see, and if you can get a HUGE name that people want to follow and will commit to 3-4 years, I think you can get off the ground.


In your opinion, what is it that people want to see? What would it take to spark another boom? 

I don't know that there can be another boom. Pretty much anything you want to see is, has or was already done. Between ROH, evolve, AAW, CZW, Beyond Wrestling and PWG it seems like every match has been booked. Serious wrestling, comedy wrestling, ultra violent hardcore it's all been done and it's all easily accessible, all of these companies have video releases or streaming services. 




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The only thing, in my opinion, that isn't being done today, is truely compelling, must see live wrestling. Treating wrestling like TV is all well and good, but there will always be a live crowd, or even people involved in the product, who are willing to provide spoilers, and the wrestling newz sites are all willing complicit in providing publishing these spoilers. Even Lucha Underground, with its audience made up of plants, still has all its match results out there months (years) before the matches air. For me, the best thing about the Monday Night Wars/Attitude Era was the "anything can happen" mentality. Even watching those shows back today, there is some sublime chaos in the early NWO storyline that is unmatched today. WWE is live twice a week, but they might as well not be, because their writing is poor.

The promotions Franchise mentioned above set out their stall by providing excellent matches, but clearly excellent wrestling matching are not what makes a wrestling "boom" period. Too much today, you hear about something, then you wait to watch it. It should be the other way around, you should hear about things after they happen, not before. If they can't go live, I'm sure it's not impossible with good editing to have a match in the ring, then re-edit the match differently on television. Hell, that's how Jerry Lawler beat Andre the Giant and how One Man Gang beat Kensuke Sasaki.



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What made wrestling compelling to me in the 80's and 90's was the match ups. you didn't see major matches every week on TV. You had to go to the show, get the CHV or buy the PPV. The cross over wasn't as wide either I didn't have access to Mid South, Memphis, CWF, Continental or much AWA growing up so if it didn't happen in the WWF or JCP / WCW I didn't know about it which kept things fresh. Nowadays unless a guy starts in NXT and stays in the WWE family you could probably find most every match up possibly multiple times. When the Brain Buster and Road Warriors crossed over it was fresh; Jake going to WCW even in a shitty match with Sting was must see for me. Steiners vs Doc and Gordy was must see, Flair vs Macho was another one.



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Why did the NWA world champion send his dad out to do his promo?



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He kind of looks like a cross between Muraco and Larry Z



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Franchise wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Superstar wrote: BlueThunder wrote: Serious question. Is there a market for a second wrestling organization? The interest level has dropped in the last 5 or 6 years. I think MMA has a lot to do with the drop in interest.
Yes.  I know we are going on 17 years, but when ECW and WCW both went out in the spring of 2001, their audience didn't start watching WWE.  Half of the wrestling audience eroded when Vince bought WCW - since then, half of WWE's audience eroded too.  TNA got decent ratings, and they grew as the product was compelling.  They sunk when it stopped being interesting.  The three big "ifs" in this are:  If you find somebody that has enough of a bank account that they can lose millions to startup, and if you find somebody that has the ability to book wrestling that people want to see, and if you can get a HUGE name that people want to follow and will commit to 3-4 years, I think you can get off the ground.


In your opinion, what is it that people want to see? What would it take to spark another boom? 

I don't know that there can be another boom. Pretty much anything you want to see is, has or was already done. Between ROH, evolve, AAW, CZW, Beyond Wrestling and PWG it seems like every match has been booked. Serious wrestling, comedy wrestling, ultra violent hardcore it's all been done and it's all easily accessible, all of these companies have video releases or streaming services. 



I said this years ago.  At some point, wrestling went supernova.  Unlike real sporting events, there is not necessarily a need to keep coming back to root for your guys/teams on a yearly basis.  It more represents a sitcom or soap opera that has run its course.



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