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hammettime wrote: so, i may be wrong, but if it is september 1, that falls on labor day weekend as previously mentioned, which is also when pwg has been running bola the last few years. with it being a saturday that means day 2 of bola, and this card will suck up tons of talent. if they book something concrete, pwg will probably have to run another weekend. this does have potential to be really cool for sure!
PWG has announced they will be running BOLA on a different weekend. There is a lucha expo in Las Vegas on the same weekend which has a lot of the lucha workers you would think could help draw already booked.



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Wouldn't be shocked if Omega/Punk was the headliner. Punk would love to stick it to the WWE.



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So, the Sears Center isn’t technically in Chicago or even the near burbs. It’s way the fuck out in the northwest suburbs, about an hour (minimum) to 90 minutes (more likely) from the City proper.



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TNA's Bound for Glory was held there in 2008 and drew around 5,000. They had Sting vs. Samoa Joe, Jeff Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle, Booker T vs. AJ Styles vs. Christian, and the Dudley Boyz.



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I like Sears Centre from the standpoint of the rent likely being very reasonable, it having a large parking lot for fans and which will also make loading in the arena easy, that lot affords them the opportunity to use it for anything from a fan fest to some local bands playing, and the set up of the arena is favorable in the seating bowl (U shaped seating decks so there's room for a stage, it has two decks so they can sell main floor and lower deck seats first, but hold back the upper deck if seats don't move as expected). It is practically exurban rather than suburban. It's far from the center of the city, but if a fan plans to come from across country or abroad for the card, the extra distance shouldn't deter anyone.

Here are the downsides. It is as far from the tourist hotels and attractions near the Magnificent Mile and the Loop. Public transportation to and from that part of town to the arena is not at all user friendly and it will be a lengthy journey. That is the case as well to a lesser extent from the hotels around O'Hare International Airport. The fans going to the event have very few options for getting a drink or meal beforehand, something that might make the need for a fan fest in the parking lot greater although with that comes the threat of rain. WinTrust Arena likely was more expensive to rent and the load in process for the ring and whatever entry stage set they'll use would be more difficult and expensive. However, the venue is in a prime spot for the tourist hotels and attractions with many bars and restaurants right there. It's also three blocks from the green line L stop and about double that from the red line L stop as well, not to mention bus routes. For out of town fans who don't want to bother with the expense of a rental car, the hassle of driving it, the expense of parking it in town, and the very expensive cab/Uber/Lyft ride from the heart of town to Sears Centre, that would have been a nice hook. If UIC Pavilion doesn't have beer sales due to being an on campus arena, I get why that was not selected if there were no other negative factors.

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tamalie wrote: I like Sears Centre from the standpoint of the rent likely being very reasonable, it having a large parking lot for fans and which will also make loading in the arena easy, that lot affords them the opportunity to use it for anything from a fan fest to some local bands playing, and the set up of the arena is favorable in the seating bowl (U shaped seating decks so there's room for a stage, it has two decks so they can sell main floor and lower deck seats first, but hold back the upper deck if seats don't move as expected). It is practically exurban rather than suburban. It's far from the center of the city, but if a fan plans to come from across country or abroad for the card, the extra distance shouldn't deter anyone.

Here are the downsides. It is as far from the tourist hotels and attractions near the Magnificent Mile and the Loop. Public transportation to and from that part of town to the arena is not at all user friendly and it will be a lengthy journey. That is the case as well to a lesser extent from the hotels around O'Hare International Airport. The fans going to the event have very few options for getting a drink or meal beforehand, something that might make the need for a fan fest in the parking lot greater although with that comes the threat of rain. WinTrust Arena likely was more expensive to rent and the load in process for the ring and whatever entry stage set they'll use would be more difficult and expensive. However, the venue is in a prime spot for the tourist hotels and attractions with many bars and restaurants right there. It's also three blocks from the green line L stop and about double that from the red line L stop as well, not to mention bus routes. For out of town fans who don't want to bother with the expense of a rental car, the hassle of driving it, the expense of parking it in town, and the very expensive cab/Uber/Lyft ride from the heart of town to Sears Centre, that would have been a nice hook. If UIC Pavilion doesn't have beer sales due to being an on campus arena, I get why that was not selected if there were no other negative factors.

I don't know if I see this as a huge destination event, Labor Day weekend or not.  I can see people making maybe an overnight stay of it or gutting it out and driving back that night, maybe from Milwaukee or Indianapolis or somewhere like that, but not flying in and making a whole trip out of it where they would want to visit the sites.  At the end of the day they're going to need to convince most of the wrestling fans in Chicago to check them out.  They'll get almost everyone from the ROH fanbase, even the ROH fans who don't attend every show in the area, but that's probably 3,000 people tops.  They need to find a way to get lapsed or current WWE fans in the area to buy a ticket.  I hope they can do it, but drawing another 7,000 is no easy task.  If the show draws 5,000-6,000, then that's great for an indy but still a failure.  Certainly perception-wise it will be a failure, and financially I don't see how they can make money with that figure, but I can't say for sure without knowing the rent and without seeing the lineup and estimating how much they spend on talent.  If they fly in every top indy star and his brother to pack this card, they need a sell-out. 

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It may not work that way in practice, but I think Cody and the Young bucks see this as a like one of the big WWE PPV weekends in which they rely heavily on fans from outside the area to fill seats which is why a destination type city on a holiday weekend was picked. A 10,000 capacity in Chicago is going to be tough by relying solely on locals. They need indy fans from afar to come in. I am certain that announcing the date and venue so soon were done to give fans time to figure out travel and to let other indy groups have time to arrange satellite shows so that a fan coming in from outside of Chicago can make a wrestling weekend of it.

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tamalie wrote: It may not work that way in practice, but I think Cody and the Young bucks see this as a like one of the big WWE PPV weekends in which they rely heavily on fans from outside the area to fill seats which is why a destination type city on a holiday weekend was picked. A 10,000 capacity in Chicago is going to be tough by relying solely on locals. They need indy fans from afar to come in. I am certain that announcing the date and venue so soon were done to give fans time to figure out travel and to let other indy groups have time to arrange satellite shows so that a fan coming in from outside of Chicago can make a wrestling weekend of it.
I would be very surprised if more than 100 or so people are willing to do that without any matches announced.  This is not at all WM or another big PPV weekend.  That's a case of a rising tide carrying all ships and a good example of how competition is a good thing for all.  This is a one-off and unproven concept that might be huge to the bank account of Cody and the Bucks, but right now there has been no reason given why the average indy fan should care that much more about this show as opposed to a typical ROH show or a NJPW show in America.

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There are a lot of fans who are going to go to this just as a way to say "Fuck WWE", and if they stack it with New Japan guys, it should sell a lot of tickets. Enough to get to a legit 10,000 tickets? Not sure.



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I think they might be biting off more than they can chew, but sometimes if you say something is a big event enough and loudly, people take it to heart. I truly believe there aren't enough indy wrestling fans in Chicago to buy all of those tickets. They have to make this an indy Wrestlemania and try to get fans to come from elsewhere by making this seem like the ultimate. I don't expect CM Punk to wrestle, but him wrestling would change the game since it would get some buzz in Chicago and fans would come for that from in town and out. Him not wrestling, but coming in to make an appearance and do a long talking segment with some heel coming in to take a few bumps while Punk takes none would not be as effective, but would spark some interest too in town. Barring that, they need to find a hook because Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks renting a big arena is not enough on its own.

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Wrestling Group that I belong to on Facebook. Many said they are traveling in for this lot out of state. Weather they do not we will see.



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tamalie wrote: I think they might be biting off more than they can chew, but sometimes if you say something is a big event enough and loudly, people take it to heart. I truly believe there aren't enough indy wrestling fans in Chicago to buy all of those tickets. They have to make this an indy Wrestlemania and try to get fans to come from elsewhere by making this seem like the ultimate. I don't expect CM Punk to wrestle, but him wrestling would change the game since it would get some buzz in Chicago and fans would come for that from in town and out. Him not wrestling, but coming in to make an appearance and do a long talking segment with some heel coming in to take a few bumps while Punk takes none would not be as effective, but would spark some interest too in town. Barring that, they need to find a hook because Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks renting a big arena is not enough on its own.
I'll reserve judgment until I see the full card.  But an "indy Wrestlemania" sounds really expensive and the biggest mistake a lot of promoters make is paying so much for talent (including trans) that they can't possibly make a profit even with a big crowd.  This is on a different level obviously with an 11,000 seat arena, but we shall see.  I hope the boys don't rip them off and take advantage of them for bookings or more money than they usually get.  You have to be ruthless with your "friends" when you go from talent to promoter, something that some never learn.  For the sake of the business as a whole, I hope they pull it off.

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I'm sure if they could book the current National Wrestling Alliance World Heavyweight Champion, Nick Aldis could bring in an extra 5 to 10 paying customers.



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They should book every champion they can find and make it look like a NJPW card



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Franchise wrote: They should book every champion they can find and make it look like a NJPW card
As long as they book James Ellsworth and an Intergender title match, that's all they really need.  Cody can even give it to his wife Brandi.

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