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It's been dead quite awhile and it's attempts at 'revival' were ridiculous to say the least, but even that appears to have passed on.
So when I ask 'your opinion' I want to know what you thought of ECW 'back then' and how you think it holds up today and how it will be remembered moving forward in terms of wrestling history.

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I liked it back then because it was so different. I went to a few shows @ 1995-98 timeframe. Always had a good time at the ECW Arena. It was the most fun I'd had going to shows since the early 80's. Doesnt hold up as well now because we've seen so much more cutting edge the last 20 years. But for it's time, was a great alternative.

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I had limited exposure to ECW in 96 via Prime Ticket but once it became Fox Sports ECW was gone. I enjoyed it because it was different, had real music and was fast paced. The brawling and weapons was cool at first but eventually got boring. 

In high school we would always watch inspirational or football themed movies before a game every Friday night and by the last week of the season our coach was out of ideas so I talked him into showing extreme warfare vol 1. It was enjoyed by all but we probably still lost I can’t remember. 

If I’m in the mood I can still enjoy the TV (original broadcasts) but the big shows, fan cams and PPV’s don’t hold up well to me.

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Doesn't really hold up well at all.



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Was really cool when I first discovered it in TV Guide and taping Empire Sports Network at like 4 am on a Friday night. Guys using cookie sheets and rubber snakes as weapons lol. I think someone used an original Nintendo at one point. This was in probably late 94 or early 95. 

Anyway, it got old after a while, especially after the first wave of guys left. I also recall watching an episode with a friend where I had talked it up and it ended up being 60 minutes of Shane Douglas talking next to a pool. 

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At the time, I liked it because it was "different", and it mixed an "old school" feel (blood, realistic storylines, no cartoon BS) with 90s music and ambiance.
Watching it today, it really looks dated. 80s wrestling and even SMW hold up better today.



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When I found ECW on MSG Network in the summer of 1995, it pretty much single-handedly made me a huge wrestling fan again. The first episode I saw was the Guerrero-Malenko 2/3 falls farewell match and I was just blown away. Saying it doesn’t hold up is like saying The Beatles don’t hold up. They pretty much invented the style, both technical and hardcore, that we’ve seen ever since.



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I liked watching the guy in the front row with the hat.

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srossi wrote: When I found ECW on MSG Network in the summer of 1995, it pretty much single-handedly made me a huge wrestling fan again. The first episode I saw was the Guerrero-Malenko 2/3 falls farewell match and I was just blown away. Saying it doesn’t hold up is like saying The Beatles don’t hold up. They pretty much invented the style, both technical and hardcore, that we’ve seen ever since.
Watch 3 or 4 big shows in a row from any period of ECW and tell me it all holds up. Can a person watch these shows and make chicken salad out of chicken shit? sure but honestly a lot of matches went to long, a lot of matches looked sloppy and a lot of matches turned into lame looking brawls much to often.



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The weekly TV always looked great. Heavily edited. Went to many shows that were bad that looked fine on TV.

Franchise is right, lots of brutal matches.

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I never got ECW on any network until they went National with Spike, so I only saw ECW out of context. I bought some tapes from McAdam around 96 or so, so maybe I only watched the good stuff.

I thought they were well booked and the story lines were given time to play out. This was at a time when WCW & WWF were notorious for rushing their story lines.

I thought they blended guys who could wrestle like Benoit, Malenko, and Guerrero, with guys who couldn't Sandman, the Rottens, and the Gangsters, but they got worked with the genre they were good at. They also let the guys who were kind of in between do their thing too. I was a great blend of old school wrestling and blood with new school high flying Mexican/Japanese wrestling.

I thought they developed characters well & made stars out of has beens (Funk & Bigelow) and never weres (Raven, Dreamer, Tag, Sabu, Whipwreck). Cactus Jack was both I guess.

I also thought they made titles seem like they were worth fighting for especially the TV and Tag Titles. This was at a time when the secondary belts & tag titles in WCW and WWF/E were afterthoughts.

I loved the Tag Teams- Eliminators, Public Enemy, Gangstas, Pit Bulls, & the Dudleys.

That said, again, I didn't get to see ECW in the proper time frame so my point of view may be off a bit.

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Without ECW, many of the late 90s innovations would not have taken place.

That said and as a whole body of work, ECW - on its own - was great at a few junctures in history, good at a few more, mediocre most of the time and dreadful/repetitive at other times.

Its legacy is a proving ground/exposure tool for up and comers as well as being the most successful brand of hardcore wrestling ever marketed to the mainstream.

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srossi wrote: When I found ECW on MSG Network in the summer of 1995, it pretty much single-handedly made me a huge wrestling fan again. The first episode I saw was the Guerrero-Malenko 2/3 falls farewell match and I was just blown away. Saying it doesn’t hold up is like saying The Beatles don’t hold up. They pretty much invented the style, both technical and hardcore, that we’ve seen ever since.
My friends in the DC area were into a little before me and talked it up, but here in WNY I didn't get it until MSG in the spring of '95 and, like you, it basically rekindled my dying interest in wrestling.  That was the year they could basically do no wrong -- Benoit, Guererro, Foley, Austin, Raven, etc.  The matches, especially as edited for TV, were innovative and provided a little something for everybody.  The angles made perfect sense and broke new ground with the tweener concept.  And the promos were insane.  I don't have much use for him now, but the promos Foley cut that summer were possibly the best promos ever cut in wrestling to that point.  And what about Austin's introductory promo, the one where he did the Dusty and Hogan imitations?  I had always liked Austin but I wasn't sold on him being an actual headliner until I saw that interview.  Total game changer for me.  Then, in early '96 they brought in Rey Jr. and Psicosis and introduced yet another level of insanity.  Just a great era all around, and one that undeniably changed and maybe saved big-time wrestling in the U.S.
 
Starting in March, 1996 I spent a lot of time living overseas and so I lost the continuity.  It wasn't until spring of 1999 that I was home long enough to re-immerse myself in ECW and, while still decent, it had quite obviously run its course.  By that time, the WWF was doing ECW and doing it just about as well as the original.  The unfortunate thing about ECW is the inspiration it provided for garbage wrestling and drove the bigger promotions to strive for the "holy shit" spot at the expense of storytelling. 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: When I found ECW on MSG Network in the summer of 1995, it pretty much single-handedly made me a huge wrestling fan again. The first episode I saw was the Guerrero-Malenko 2/3 falls farewell match and I was just blown away. Saying it doesn’t hold up is like saying The Beatles don’t hold up. They pretty much invented the style, both technical and hardcore, that we’ve seen ever since.
Watch 3 or 4 big shows in a row from any period of ECW and tell me it all holds up. Can a person watch these shows and make chicken salad out of chicken shit? sure but honestly a lot of matches went to long, a lot of matches looked sloppy and a lot of matches turned into lame looking brawls much to often.

If you watch a year in context, basically the TV and the ECW Arena shows, they absolutely hold up and all the brawls make perfect sense and are expertly booked to a degree that's never been duplicated.  I've seen random ECW matches years later out of context and have forgotten all the angles, and yes, then it can look like a big schmozz.  There's a couple of matches there with upwards of a dozen run-uns involving almost every top guy on the roster that in context were just fantastic and out of context makes no sense.  No one was doing that then, or now.  Even today watching WWE TV, you can actually tell who will run into a match based on who has or hasn't been seen yet that night.  Everything is compartmentalized and formulaic. 



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When is the last time you watched a year of ECW programming?



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