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 Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2017 03:17 pm
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Franchise wrote: When is the last time you watched a year of ECW programming?
I tried when it first came to the WWE Network.  Clearly I don't have time to watch a year straight, but I was there the first time and have the memories to fill in the gaps.  I remember 1996-1997 ECW better than I remember WWE from 6 months ago.  I'm saying if you've never seen it before it helps to watch in context or you can't appreciate the booking.

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In context or not ECW put on some brutal shows that could look amazing when edited. I spent lots of money buying tapes from ECW directly and from RF before that ship sank and I am a ECW fan but I can’t look at it and say it was awesome all the time because it wasn’t.

I’m not disputing that they did some good things for the wrestling world but if we go too far into that couldn’t it be said that Vince is responsible for those good things since he was giving Paul the money to meet his payroll and put on these shows?



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Franchise wrote: In context or not ECW put on some brutal shows that could look amazing when edited. I spent lots of money buying tapes from ECW directly and from RF before that ship sank and I am a ECW fan but I can’t look at it and say it was awesome all the time because it wasn’t.

I’m not disputing that they did some good things for the wrestling world but if we go too far into that couldn’t it be said that Vince is responsible for those good things since he was giving Paul the money to meet his payroll and put on these shows?

I can't remember what year Vince started helping Heyman financially, I don't think it was until 1997-1998 when ECW was at its best from 1995-1997.  But regardless, he had no creative input and added nothing except money (and a few mid-card talents, the only one of which got over was Al Snow).  I'm not sure how Vince gets credit for ECW then.  If the point is that Heyman was a horrible businessman, I think we already know that.  I also think he was ahead of his time though as I'd really like to see what he could've done in the era of steaming apps and 6 million niche cable channels.   



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I didn’t say Vince had a creative hand in ECW, I said Vince met Paul’s payroll so Paul could continue to have a company in which to be creative in.



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beejmi wrote: The weekly TV always looked great. Heavily edited. Went to many shows that were bad that looked fine on TV.

Franchise is right, lots of brutal matches.
I loved it.  It was unique for America at least to have that style of wrestling.  I thought they also did a good job at character development.  I went to the matches several times.  Yes, some of it was lousy but part of the fun was the crowd experience.  
It may not hold up well now, but for a short period of time, I liked it more than WWF and WCW which became nothing more than the NWO.  How many times could we see them interfere at the end of a show?

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Ultimark wrote: beejmi wrote: The weekly TV always looked great. Heavily edited. Went to many shows that were bad that looked fine on TV.

Franchise is right, lots of brutal matches.
I loved it.  It was unique for America at least to have that style of wrestling.  I thought they also did a good job at character development.  I went to the matches several times.  Yes, some of it was lousy but part of the fun was the crowd experience.  
It may not hold up well now, but for a short period of time, I liked it more than WWF and WCW which became nothing more than the NWO.  How many times could we see them interfere at the end of a show?

I think going to an ECW show was as close as you could come in the '90s to going to a punk rock show in the '70s (which I'm not old enough to have done).  There was an air of danger.  Fans would get drunk and throw chairs and hit you on the back of your head.  At least a couple of people would attempt to jump the rail every show, or get into a fight.  Drug paraphernalia would be plainly visible in the bathrooms.  Chicks would flash (although they were rarely the types of chicks that you'd want to see flash).  The venues were so hot and smelly during the summer that they could've been health hazards.  I once saw a fan, likely high but maybe just fucking nuts, blade HIMSELF and just punch his own forehead repeatedly until he gushed blood.  Another time my friend bought a Sandman shirt at the merch table, turned around, and there was The Sandman, bleeding after his match, and he took the shirt, mopped his bloody forehead with it, and gave it back.  And my friend carried that bloody thing home on the subway and I don't think he ever got AIDS. 

I considered the '90s pretty sanitized (although now 20 years later it seems like the good old days and you could never have stuff like that happen now), so it was a wild place to go unlike any other.  I have amazing memories of ECW running the Lost Battalion Hall and Elk's Lodge in Queens, where sometimes my friends and I would get there at 2:00 PM for a 7:00 PM start time and drink beer on the sidewalk and chat up the wrestlers as they walked in.  There wasn't even the slightest thought given that maybe 19-year olds shouldn't be drinking beer on the sidewalk at 2:00 PM, we just didn't even think about it.     

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I never got ECW on any network until they went National with Spike, so I only saw ECW out of context.
Same. Your post echoes my sentiments pretty much bang on.
It was a welcome change from WWF and WCW, even though I was still enjoying their stuff as well at the time.
ECW kind of brought me back to keeping up with everything more than casually at that time.
I enjoyed most of it and actually attended the PPV in St. Paul where Jerry Lynn won the ECW title. Only PPV I have ever attended, and it was a lot of fun.



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I attended the heatwave PPV at the grand Olympic auditorium



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I went to the only ECW show ever held in Houston, but it wasn't until summer of 2000, when they were on their last legs.



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I went to Heat Wave’98 and Heat Wave’99, both in beautiful Dayton, Ohio. Only ECW shows I ever attended and both were a blast. Bubba and Spike brawled through the crowd at the ‘99 show as they always did and I got some of Bubbas blood on my Heat Wave shirt and wouldn’t wash the shirt for years. Unbelievable the things we think of when we were younger...



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cookie32723 wrote: I went to Heat Wave’98 and Heat Wave’99, both in beautiful Dayton, Ohio. Only ECW shows I ever attended and both were a blast. Bubba and Spike brawled through the crowd at the ‘99 show as they always did and I got some of Bubbas blood on my Heat Wave shirt and wouldn’t wash the shirt for years. Unbelievable the things we think of when we were younger...
Heatwave '98 might be the best PPV other than WM 17 ever.



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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: In context or not ECW put on some brutal shows that could look amazing when edited. I spent lots of money buying tapes from ECW directly and from RF before that ship sank and I am a ECW fan but I can’t look at it and say it was awesome all the time because it wasn’t.

I’m not disputing that they did some good things for the wrestling world but if we go too far into that couldn’t it be said that Vince is responsible for those good things since he was giving Paul the money to meet his payroll and put on these shows?

I can't remember what year Vince started helping Heyman financially, I don't think it was until 1997-1998 when ECW was at its best from 1995-1997. 


It was around 1996. Heyman's story is that the WWF wanted to bring in 2 Cold Scorpio (in addition to other ECW talent),  but ECW had a sponsorship deal with Tommy Boy Records where Tommy Boy was paying them $1,000 a week to use their music for him. If he lost Scorpio then he'd lose that money. So Vince allegedly agreed to cover that $1,000 every week.



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ECW was a can't miss show for me from the mid 1990s until the end of 1997 and was still a huge priority in the 1998 and 1999 range. However, post 1997 the booking took a slide and things were noticeably off by the time they got on TNN. As for it not holding up or the editing covering up not so much cracks as holes in the walls, who cares? It was fun in the moment and that's what counts.

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I was never a fan. A friend of mine went to see them live and said it was better to watch it on tv and it was safer.lol he said there were a ton of blown spots that they edited off for tv. Paul Heyman was good at covering up the wrestlers weakness's. then when they went to WCW or WWF they were not the same. their weakness's were front and center. Like when You saw Tazz in ECW he looked like a monster but when he appeared on WWF tv he looked so small. a lot of the wrestlers didn't look small when they were in ECW but when you saw them in WCW and WWE their size stood out.

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I may have said this on here before and if I did forgive me because I'm old and repeat myself.

ECW Arena was the closest thing to a cult I've ever seen. This is both a good thing and a bad thing. The Pavlovian responses of the fans was entertaining and yet disturbing. I went to my first show at the ECW Arena in the summer of 1995 for Heatwave 95. The place had a flat tin roof and it was 95 degrees outside and about 115 inside. This lead to a lot of the male fans taking their shirts off. It was not pretty. A matter of fact, it was the most horrifying thing I've ever seen....and I've seen some THINGS man.

I usually sat next to quasi jerkoff Dave Scherer. Many times I took down to Philly the total jerkoff Steve DeAngelis. It was great seeing the Steiners, B****t (mods please remove if his name isn't allowed or if you have too because I typed creatively around the filter), Malenko, Scorpio, Konnan, Rey, and Hypnosis all in there prime with booking that let them go all out.

I went to a few different venues. The ECW Arena, Middletown NY Orange County Fairgrounds, Freeport NY Rec Center, Lost Battalion Hall, and the VFW on Queens Boulevard.

All in all it was a total blast. However, it got old fairly quick too. I didn't see a live ECW show after 1997 and that was by design. I grew weary of it.



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