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 Posted: Wed Feb 14th, 2018 02:47 am
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Franchise wrote: Scott Levy or someone else who started in the 88/89 time frame. People can say what they want about territories in the 90’s but they didn’t exist. Memphis / WCCW, SMW, dying days of Portland were all indies by then or were never more than an Indy (SMW).
I'm pretty sure that Scott has retired.



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I read the topic as the last person to start in the territories before territories no longer existed not the last person left wrestling today that also wrestled in the territories.



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Franchise wrote: I read the topic as the last person to start in the territories before territories no longer existed not the last person left wrestling today that also wrestled in the territories.Me too

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So working backwards on this...

Is there a concensus on what the last territory was?

Was it Memphis 1989? Or World Class’ morphing into USWA in late ‘88? I think there could be a good argument that Jeff Jarrett could be the last great survivor of the territories.



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I would say 89ish but I’m far from an authority


In 89 you still had

PNW
Continental
Memphis / WCCW
AWA



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The definitive end of the territories was when the USWA shut down in the fall of 1987. It had a professionally produced TV show in the WMC-5 studio in Memphis to the end. That show was on quality stations (network affiliate or high powered independent) at decent times in the USWA's hub markets. It was no longer running weekly at Mid-South Coliseum by then because of some disputes with the venue and the Monday Night Wars making the night impossible to run anymore. However, the promotion was running weekly on Tuesdays in Louisville and Saturdays in Nashville at the same arenas as in the glory days until closing up shop and still ran Memphis in a secondary venue every couple of weeks, usually on Sundays. This was the last gasp of the territories even though it overlapped with the rise of the indies and shared some characteristics with the indies over the last couple of years.

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87 or 97?

I am going to assume you meant 97 and I will disagree, by 97 the USWA was a Indy promotion. They were a WWF farm team at best and no television production value is going to change that. 

Like I’ve said before I’m no authority but in my mind a territory was a territory if it was able to keep its wrestlers working full time and living off of their wrestling income. The Rock sleeping on the floor of downtown Bruno’s trailer and Steve Austin installing carpet when not wrestling and eating potatoes doesn’t sound like a territory. I’m sure the underneath talent in JCP, Georgia and the rest had regular jobs but not the mid carders. I could be wrong but I doubt guys getting a push back in 88 and 89 in Continental, PNW, etc were having to do the same. 

I’m sure it is over blown but the story about Jarrett telling the USWA wrestlers if they want a shot in the WWF to get off the juice and mantel coming back and saying “hell most of us aren’t even on food” screams Indy to me. I know every territory had money problem at some point but Austin was in the USWA in 90 or so and wasn’t making enough then and I doubt it improved much between then and 97. 

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What about Rip Rogers? He's still working today and I remember him from back in the Crockett days



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wittman2 wrote: What about Rip Rogers? He's still working today and I remember him from back in the Crockett days
Interesting pick, he might fit. 



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George South is still active and according to his bio, he started in 1982.

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BItterOldMan wrote: George South is still active and according to his bio, he started in 1982.

I'm glad you read the thread before posting...

We're looking for someone who can be the last person to claim to have gone through the territory system, not a list of old wrestlers who still wrestle once a month.

I am also interested in examining the claims of those who have either said themselves, or have been described by others, as one of the last wrestlers who went through the territories.



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Blazer wrote: Great question.

Do we consider Memphis/USWA a territory? Would Flex Kavana be a possible answer to this?

You’re right though- not sure there is one correct answer.

Memphis was definitely a territory through the end with weekly stops and full-time wrestlers. Kane and Goldust are the last active territory guys in WWE.

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Franchise wrote: 87 or 97?

I am going to assume you meant 97 and I will disagree, by 97 the USWA was a Indy promotion. They were a WWF farm team at best and no television production value is going to change that. 

Like I’ve said before I’m no authority but in my mind a territory was a territory if it was able to keep its wrestlers working full time and living off of their wrestling income. The Rock sleeping on the floor of downtown Bruno’s trailer and Steve Austin installing carpet when not wrestling and eating potatoes doesn’t sound like a territory. I’m sure the underneath talent in JCP, Georgia and the rest had regular jobs but not the mid carders. I could be wrong but I doubt guys getting a push back in 88 and 89 in Continental, PNW, etc were having to do the same. 

I’m sure it is over blown but the story about Jarrett telling the USWA wrestlers if they want a shot in the WWF to get off the juice and mantel coming back and saying “hell most of us aren’t even on food” screams Indy to me. I know every territory had money problem at some point but Austin was in the USWA in 90 or so and wasn’t making enough then and I doubt it improved much between then and 97. 


Actually, the weekly defined shots - the same towns they'd been making for decades were still being made into 1996 and 97. I was here. I know how the territory functioned during its last dying breaths. Most of the local wrestlers in the USWA were full-time wrestlers, who worked five days a week up until 1997 for the company. Were they barely getting by? Yep, but they functioned as a local territory until the bitter end. Did they have a chance to get looked at by the WWF? Indeed they did and a few even had some per night (PG-13) deals with them with even fewer getting contracts (Brian Christopher and Spellbinder, albeit briefly). Development-wise, WWF only ever sent Flex Kavana and a few others down for extended periods of time (Truth Commission, Techno Team 2000, Kane in between Isaac Yankem and Kane). It wasn't like Power Pro Wrestling was with WWF paying guys a small stipend weekly. A lot of the early development guys were paid by the USWA and based on the house when they started despite their WWF "contract."

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How many shows a month was the USWA running in 96 and 97?

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Tommy Dreamer might need a mention if you consider IWCCW to be a territory. The Savoldis obviously go way back as promoters of mostly shit territories. Dreamer is still very active.



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