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 Posted: Sun May 20th, 2018 03:09 pm
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Which promotion had better attendance in the months of June- December 1986? Which promotion was perceived as more major league by fans during this time?



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 Posted: Sun May 20th, 2018 03:22 pm
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silentkiller wrote: Which promotion had better attendance in the months of June- December 1986? Which promotion was perceived as more major league by fans during this time?
I think Mid-South/UWF was more of a Major League at this period. Just Amazing talent and stories during this time.  



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Interesting question.

Mid South definitely did better at the gate but the AWA still had the ESPN contract and was running NYC area too until April.

I think post -Wrestlerock the edge for prominence went to UWF.

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He's asking about the 2nd half of 1986, and it really is a great question.

So, in terms of perception at the time, here in Chicago, we just started receiving the new UWF television show in late June on Saturday nights on one of the UHF stations. This was the first time Mid-South had ever aired here, so it was a huge move. It was a slick looking show also with nice graphics, music, and exciting matches and stories. It looked big time.

AWA, on the otherhand, was actually off the air for a couple of weeks as Verne moved the show from Channel 26 to Channel 66. The AWA tag belts had just switched hands on a countout, Bock was the Champion after being given the belt after Hansen left, and in general the big-name WrestleRock roster had left. There was a huge dropoff in talent.

At least perception wise, the UWF seemed bigger.

Now, after the fact, we know they were both in trouble financially.



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Sorry missed the point of the question by skimming too quick.

H2 ‘86 UWF has much more momentum and gates were strong in the traditional territory. The expansion proved costly. Ft. worth and then Atlanta seemed to be the big successes. But trying to draw in Memphis and Los Angeles was such a waste of time and money.

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I'm sure it depended on geography and age. Most long-time fans still perceived the AWA as pretty major league in late '86, although the glory days were certainly in the rear view. But they were only a couple of years removed from still being really good, and even in early '86 they didn't seem near dead, so it could've easily been explained away as a bump in the road. I don't think it was until mid to late '87 that most AWA fans came around to the fact that the company was done. You still got to see them on ESPN and in most parts of the country you might only know about the UWF from the magazines, or maybe not at all.

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The AWA was a lot more successful in late 1986 vs the UWF for one basic reason - ESPN was paying the AWA to show their program, while the UWF was paying to be put on the air.


That doesn't answer the original question though...that question was relating to attendance and which promotion appeared more "big league". As far as attendance goes, the AWA wasn't drawing a ton of paid people anywhere by late 1986. The Showboat tapings were, I believe, free. And if they weren't, they were heavily papered because they needed bodies in the seats for ESPN. And a few of the Cow Palace shows that Verne counted on to get some good money were drawing less than 1000. He wasn't drawing in Denver either, and pretty much killed the territory the night that he handed Bockwinkel the belt. Mid South/UWF was still drawing paid people, although I don't know if they charged money for the shows that they taped at Gilley's. But the crowds weren't paying anywhere near what they were just a couple years earlier because the Texas oil crisis just killed off a LOT of peoples' disposable income (and in worse cases, their necessary income as well). So for all intents and purposes, both territories were in awful shape. But why I feel the UWF looked more "big league" was based on their show. It was slickly produced with main event matches every single week that you'd pay to see. The AWA was on ESPN, which should make them look big league, but the program that they put on the air looked anything but big league. So I'm going to go with the UWF for the win, and considering Watts was able to sell his territory to Crockett for cash but Verne basically was bankrupted means I think that Watts was the overall winner too.



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Did Verne have a window to sell to Vince or am I getting 2 stories mixed up?



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Franchise wrote: Did Verne have a window to sell to Vince or am I getting 2 stories mixed up?
His window to sell was a bit earlier than 1986, but when Vince found out that he could pretty much get anybody he wanted just by throwing them a bit of money, there was no need to buy out Verne. 



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