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Dude actually, in hindsight, wasn’t that bad.  I’ve been watching a ton of old 1988 house shows and Prime Times.  Other than his horrendous Summerslam 88 performance, Graham actually is pretty decent.  He puts over the angles, the wrestlers, the moves, etc.  He seemed to understand the vision and what his job was supposed to be.  I am enjoying his work.



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Steve Lombardi agrees

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Yeah, I've heard a lot of people comment on this.  I thought he was fine for the most part.

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I’ve always found him entertaining especially when working with Ron trongard.



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But he wasn't 'Superstar Billy Graham 1977" on the mic and people take that as his skills declining. 
It's kind of bad announcing that  ….. eh, you couldn't use him for 'play by play' but as you stated, let him be the backup guy and get the wrestlers and angles over

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I don't think that Billy Graham circa 1977 works as a color commentator anyway. That character was too much of a self-absorbed cartoon heel. But, the older/wiser Graham as a face/semi-serious announcer, kinda like the babyface version of Ventura, works really well in this era on MSG house shows. Trongard, Alfred, and Graham are not a bad trio at all on these shows. Graham actually keeps everything together.



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Graham was not 'smooth' at all. Comparing to Tronguard and Alfred -- not good.


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I agree with you, he wasn’t smooth.  He was choppy.  Couldn’t always get his words out.



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Sorry, in hindsight he was still bad. A lot of rambling to the point that I had no idea what he was trying to say.



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I'm in no hurry to go back and watch anything from 1988 to be sure, but at the time I thought Superstar Billy Graham was annoying to the point of being nearly unlistenable on commentary. Getting one bout here and there on Prime Time Wrestling was bad, but the entire Summerslam '88 show had me wanting to plug my ears. Perhaps time heals such wounds and makes him easier to listen to and appreciate now, but I've always thought the end of his announcing career was hastened by that PPV and how negatively nearly everyone reacted to his performance.

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I think what mainly hurt him at SummerSlam was that he was doing his over the top SBG "rap" throughout the entire show with all the "brothers" and "mans" thrown in. Even so, I didn't think he was all that bad except for when he stumbled and fumbled over describing the replay on the IC title change and Gorilla had to step in and bail him out.



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There you have it. Tamalie listened to (AWA) Ron Tronguard no problem, but Graham made his ears bleed.

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Rod Trongard wasn't very good either. However, he wasn't as actively bad as Graham was and because he was the hometown promotion's play by play guy, there was a certain conditioning to hearing him that made me overlook stuff. The big problem for Trongard was that he too often wasn't told what to put over and how, not to mention the fact that the AWA ran far too few angles. Some announcers need little direction and almost instinctively know what to push and how. Rod was someone who needed direction and didn't get it.

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tamalie wrote: I'm in no hurry to go back and watch anything from 1988 to be sure, but at the time I thought Superstar Billy Graham was annoying to the point of being nearly unlistenable on commentary. Getting one bout here and there on Prime Time Wrestling was bad, but the entire Summerslam '88 show had me wanting to plug my ears. Perhaps time heals such wounds and makes him easier to listen to and appreciate now, but I've always thought the end of his announcing career was hastened by that PPV and how negatively nearly everyone reacted to his performance.
Then why don’t you go back and watch some shows.  1988 wasn’t bad.  I thought Graham sucked in 1988, but I’m saying as I go back and re-watch these, I appreciate his work more.  One other point- I’m watching Prime Times from December of ‘88 with his commentary.  SummerSlam actually happened in August.  I forget exactly when his announcing run began (sometime in late summer), but they stuck with him for quite awhile after that PPV it seems like.  The SummerSlam debacle was nearer the beginning of his run on commentary than the end.  



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Trongard lost me when he gave away the finish to Bock/Hennig before it began.



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