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 Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2018 06:07 pm
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I just watched the Backlund vs. Snuka cage match card and I'm wondering why the WWF had matches after the main event.  
I've seen this on other cards, but why?  
Were they recorded to show for TV taping later?  
Did they run the main early in case there was a snafu and they ran short of time?
They had tag title change after the cage match and then Adonis vs. Garea after that. Maybe more.
You'd think the main even would be the last match.

On an unrelated note why did they let that dumbfuck Putski ref.  He fucked up the finish every time (kayfabe).  



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 Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2018 06:14 pm
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That is a good question re: MSG

As for that doofus Putski, my guess is that he seemed "imposing" as a figurehead and that the wrestlers would heed his warnings. He just comes off looking like a doofus, just like you said.

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From comments in other threads here and elsewhere they would usually have the main event (at MSG and possibly other big venues) as the penultimate match of the night, the final match would also see the announcement of the main event for the next show. And in the case of MSG, it's possible that they wanted to be sure the feature match was over before the curfew.

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I think I remember Hogan saying that often times they would put the main event on early for several reasons.   One being if they were doing a double shot (and it was the matinee), they could get the main event on the road to the next city earlier.

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MSG had a strict 11pm curfew back in the day - union rules, etc.

Putting the Main Event on early not only allowed the match to go as expected, without cutting it short (if needed), but also let them promote the next month's card later without giving away the finish.

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Remember, back then, things weren't as rigidly formatted. Unless something specific was needed for an angle, most of the time, the only thing the guys were given were the winner and approx. length of match (ex-Fuji goes over in 15). That could lead to some adjustments on the fly as the night went on.

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The main reason was this. They would open up the MSG box office at intermission for the next months card. The very best seats were available. After the main event, they could announce either the blowoff and sometimes with the added sugar of it being a gimmick match. Also, they would announce whoever was the champs next victim down the road, would be having their "first" MSG match which would certainly spark interest.

The curfew thing was pretty irrelevant. Vince I and II were certainly well aware of it and would easily book around. it. An advertised match that didn't go on because of the main event going 60 minutes was never meant to see the light of day to begin with.

All in all, the early main event was done strictly to sell tickets for next month and nothing more.



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WongLee wrote: The curfew thing was pretty irrelevant. Vince I and II were certainly well aware of it and would easily book around. it. An advertised match that didn't go on because of the main event going 60 minutes was never meant to see the light of day to begin with.

Was there ever a legit issue with curfew?  I ask because it seems like it was just another gimmick, and another way to not give a finish.  Much like TV time "running out" where they just didn't want to give you the match for free.  I find it hard to believe that they ever ran into a real curfew issue more than once or twice when something unexpected happened.  The WWWF especially had these shows down to a science and didn't vary the formula for 12 years or so.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: The curfew thing was pretty irrelevant. Vince I and II were certainly well aware of it and would easily book around. it. An advertised match that didn't go on because of the main event going 60 minutes was never meant to see the light of day to begin with.

Was there ever a legit issue with curfew?  I ask because it seems like it was just another gimmick, and another way to not give a finish.  Much like TV time "running out" where they just didn't want to give you the match for free.  I find it hard to believe that they ever ran into a real curfew issue more than once or twice when something unexpected happened.  The WWWF especially had these shows down to a science and didn't vary the formula for 12 years or so.
I've never heard of such a thing. Of course it doesn't mean it didn't happen. One thing curfew related which I was always curious about but didn't find out until just the other day was the Toru Tanaka vs. George Steele heel vs. heel match at Shea Stadium in 1972. We all know that Steele did the famous run in only to be gang tackled by New Yorks Finest. However, a guy who attended the card wrote on Facebook that Tanaka was there and he accompanied Mr. Fugi to the ring that night. Obviously the Pedro/Bruno match was planned months in advance to be a long broadway, but why pay Tanaka to walk 50 yards to the ring with no plan of him ever working?



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They ran into a real curfew issue on the 8/30/82 show as I was there and they announced to the crowd that the curfew was waived for the night.

I think there were some times it was used for a finish but was legitimate other times as some matches were outright cancelled.

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Same thing was done in Philly also.

My first WWF show in 1983 Snuka vs Muraco for the IC title was the Main Event it was held right before intermission.

Last match was Tony Garea vs Ivan Koloff. 

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I remember reading somewhere that the face was booked to always win the final match of the night at MSG so the crowd would go home happy. Not sure if it is true or not.

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Watching some late '85 and early '86 MSG lately (around the time of the three-card run between Hogan and Savage), and one show recently ended because of the curfew. I want to say it was a Killer Bees vs. Hart Foundation match, but I will have to look it up. These shows all seem to run together after you've watched a bunch of them in a row.



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Yeah, from all the WWF house shows I attended, the main would go on before intermission. Right after the announcer would usually say something along the lines of "Commissioner Jack Tunney was informed of what happened here and made a rematch for next month, this time (insert stipulation)!!

Mark me loved this and would beg to get tickets to see Hogan (or whomever) get his revenge in the cage/bunkhouse match/strap match/lumberjack match



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They did that at Maple Leaf Gardens too. Whenever I was in attendance, and the main would happen before the intermission, I knew there wouldnt be a clean finish, which was kind of disappointing.

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