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 Posted: Wed Jul 11th, 2018 03:22 am
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Wrestling has always need the imagination of the fans to succeed. Social media and breaking kayfabe killed all that.

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 Posted: Wed Jul 11th, 2018 12:59 pm
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Mysterious wrote: Wrestling has always need the imagination of the fans to succeed. Social media and breaking kayfabe killed all that.
Social media gets blamed for everything.  lol  That wasn't even a thing until 5 seconds ago.  It has nothing to do with this topic.



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I think 'the internet' in general took alot out of it.

Sort of like the a magician's tricks being exposed and everyone knowing how they were done.

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After WWE broke Kayfabe in 97? it got hotter since the 80's.



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The environment is different. In the past, when someone got 'stale' they went away to another territory. Now they have 3 year deals and are out of things to do in six months.

Surprises. Hard to do anymore. One great thing about the old days is people showed up on your TV unexpectedly.

It feels like everyone has wrestled everyone already and everyone has won and lost against each other also.

There was alot of years between Hogan and Austin.

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beejmi wrote: The environment is different. In the past, when someone got 'stale' they went away to another territory. Now they have 3 year deals and are out of things to do in six months.

Surprises. Hard to do anymore. One great thing about the old days is people showed up on your TV unexpectedly.

It feels like everyone has wrestled everyone already and everyone has won and lost against each other also.

There was alot of years between Hogan and Austin.

I agree with a lot of this.  Plus now we know this is big business.  I thought Kamala was a threat to Hogan, and Steele was a threat to Backlund, but now it's obvious guys like that can't be champion because of the finances of the business.

I could be wrong on this, but maybe payoffs had a lot to do with it.  I think in the old days guys wrestled and if they got over with the fans they got more shows & higher billing, and thus more money. (bottom-up  if the fans like you you move up)

Now with guaranteed money they sign a guy and need to push him because of all that money they are paying him.  That's why some guys are forced down the fans throats & some guys who are getting over aren't pushed because they don't have as much invested in them financially.  

Forcing wrestlers down fans throats probably has a lot to do with monthly PPVs too.  You have 30 days to build & pay off a story arc.  If you guess wrong on your top story line, and the fans don't like it you really don't have time to rework it.  When there were only 4 main PPVs you had time to judge the fan reaction and scrap an angle or push it down the card if needed.

I just think successful old school booking required reading the fans reactions & counting the gate & making decisions based on what was working.  Now the writers write a story & hope the fans like it.



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beejmi wrote: The environment is different. In the past, when someone got 'stale' they went away to another territory. Now they have 3 year deals and are out of things to do in six months.

Surprises. Hard to do anymore. One great thing about the old days is people showed up on your TV unexpectedly.

It feels like everyone has wrestled everyone already and everyone has won and lost against each other also.

There was alot of years between Hogan and Austin.

I’ve said this before but a major problem with today’s wrestling is everything is taped and accessible from the smallest Indy up to the E so going to a different company isn’t going to change much for long (once the fresh matches happen) unless the wrestler continues to evolve and change. 

The rapid pace of angles and feuds now doesn’t help either because what used to take 2 months happens in 2 weeks now. When I was a kid I’d have to wait for a ppv or in the case of the WWF a coliseum video to see a lot of the big matches nowadays it’s happening weekly (granted this started during the Monday night wars) 

The 50/50 booking hurts as well because it’s hard to get behind someone who wins on Sunday and loses on Monday. I’m a few years behind on my ROH watching but I recently watched the last 2 months of 2013 and the first 4 months of 2014 and strong lost a few matches close together One of which was to a returning AJ but strong still looked good and came across as a tough dude where as not to long ago in the E Balor beat someone on a PPV and then lost the next night to Kane and looked like shit. 

If they are going to book 50/50 they need to figure out how to elevate a few while doing it. Even when they push a guy they still kind of fuck it up; Braun has been a force now for awhile but he keeps missing the belt. They are going to mess around and he is going to cool. I’m no Braun fan but a few months ago it felt like he was going to be their guy and now here he is still without the title. 



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