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 Posted: Sat Oct 20th, 2018 03:25 am
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Eric’s insight and his admission of misunderstanding of the aol deal is interesting.

Prior to his statement I had a hard time understanding comments of his that I had read about WCW losing the war because they couldn’t be as edgy as the WWF. AOL adding the additional layers of authority would have created a bottle neck on all fronts.

Call me a mark if you will but I’m going to pick up a shirt this week so I can get a call from Eric.

Has anyone on this board picked up a shirt and spoken to Eric, Tony or Bruce?



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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: tamalie wrote: Eric Bischoff has a lot of justifications for what he did specifically and what WCW did in general. He also seems to often see things only through his own eyes at the expense of any other possible viewpoint or path. However, I believe that he's honest to the extent that he believes his own version of the truth.I think

I think I've heard all of Bischoff's "83 Weeks" podcasts so far.  If I had to sum up his tenure in charge of WCW, I'd say he was doing alright until he got to the point where Thunder was added, and at that point he became completely overwhelmed (at least that is what he thinks).  It sounds like at that point he began to "ok" all kinds of things simply because he was spent and didn't have the capacity to say no, even on things that weren't a good idea.
One thing Vince always has in his corner is full control.  Eric simply couldn't say no, and WCW over-saturated the market with their stuff.  Too much time to fill = lots of bad programming.

Vince also had supreme authority. Bischoff not only had to report to a rotating cast of Turner exes but also had to deal with all the wrestlers who had creative control in their contracts. There’s no way anyone can succeed long-term in that environment. 


its true. Eric had people above him he had to answer to and once WCW became hot the suits were paying a lot more attention. and then when you have certain wrestlers with creative control, in particular Hogan, your hands are tied somewhat. Kevin Nash did a great impersonation of Hogan when something was brought to Hogan and Hogan didnt like it....."doesnt work for me brother". and then when you extend Nitro and add Thunder. thats a booking nightmare. people will be burned out before you know it.

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Listened to the Flair and NWO podcasts. Gotta say I really enjoyed it.

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Spatulapup wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: tamalie wrote: Eric Bischoff has a lot of justifications for what he did specifically and what WCW did in general. He also seems to often see things only through his own eyes at the expense of any other possible viewpoint or path. However, I believe that he's honest to the extent that he believes his own version of the truth.I think

I think I've heard all of Bischoff's "83 Weeks" podcasts so far.  If I had to sum up his tenure in charge of WCW, I'd say he was doing alright until he got to the point where Thunder was added, and at that point he became completely overwhelmed (at least that is what he thinks).  It sounds like at that point he began to "ok" all kinds of things simply because he was spent and didn't have the capacity to say no, even on things that weren't a good idea.
One thing Vince always has in his corner is full control.  Eric simply couldn't say no, and WCW over-saturated the market with their stuff.  Too much time to fill = lots of bad programming.

Vince also had supreme authority. Bischoff not only had to report to a rotating cast of Turner exes but also had to deal with all the wrestlers who had creative control in their contracts. There’s no way anyone can succeed long-term in that environment. 


its true. Eric had people above him he had to answer to and once WCW became hot the suits were paying a lot more attention. and then when you have certain wrestlers with creative control, in particular Hogan, your hands are tied somewhat. Kevin Nash did a great impersonation of Hogan when something was brought to Hogan and Hogan didnt like it....."doesnt work for me brother". and then when you extend Nitro and add Thunder. thats a booking nightmare. people will be burned out before you know it.
LOL at your constant Hogan bashing.  Eric Bischoff has gone on record multiple times saying the creative control was really no big deal.  He said it on his own podcast, as well as Steve Austin's podcast.  He says a lot of that is just narrative and was blown out of proportion.

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to this day Bischoff is buddies with Hogan so he is going to take it easy on him. ask Kevin Sullivan how it was dealing with Hogan and having to get him to agree to do things. Kevin even said that one of the reasons Bret sputtered there was due to Hogan. Kevin was on the booking team. Hogan was one of the main problems behind the scenes and well as a few other top guys during that time. 

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Spatulapup wrote:  ask Kevin Sullivan how it was dealing with Hogan and having to get him to agree to do things. Hogan was one of the main problems behind the scenes and well as a few other top guys during that time. 
Yeah, he must have been so hard to deal with.  That's why he put over all of these guys:

Arn Anderson
Roddy Piper
Lex Luger
Sting
Giant/Big Show
DDP
Goldberg
Ric Flair
Kidman
Mike Awesome
Vampiro

Internet narrative.  What a joke.

People have to make interesting comments in shoot interviews or no one would listen to them.  It doesn't have to be true, it just has to be interesting.



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Hogan made Kidman look like a total joke. I think Kidman got a pin in one of their matches, but had to have help to do so and otherwise got gobbled up by Hogan. That doesn't equate to putting someone over.

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tamalie wrote: Hogan made Kidman look like a total joke. I think Kidman got a pin in one of their matches, but had to have help to do so and otherwise got gobbled up by Hogan. That doesn't equate to putting someone over.
A lower midcard cruiserweight getting any type of pinfall on the biggest star in the history of the business is a pretty decent rub.

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Kidman got no rub. He was back to working undercard to midcard matches in no time. WCW made it very clear in the booking and presentation that the win meant nothing in the big picture.

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tamalie wrote: Kidman got no rub. He was back to working undercard to midcard matches in no time. WCW made it very clear in the booking and presentation that the win meant nothing in the big picture.
Kidman was portrayed on screen and in real life as a complainer who couldn’t draw, and set up to fail so that they could say, “See, we gave you a Hogan feud and you dropped the ball.”  It was pathetic and almost killed his career. 



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tamalie wrote: Kidman got no rub. He was back to working undercard to midcard matches in no time. WCW made it very clear in the booking and presentation that the win meant nothing in the big picture.
No rub?  If I recall correctly, I think he got to work with Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner after that, both guys who were in the world title scene around that time.
Honestly, what more could he expect?

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A month and a half after the Hogan feud ended Billy Kidman lost a Viagra on a Pole match to Shane Douglas on Nitro. Apart from Shane his main opponents for the rest of the summer were Lance Storm and Elix Skipper. He got nothing from his win from Hogan and Hogan won the blow off of the feud anyway.

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tamalie wrote: A month and a half after the Hogan feud ended Billy Kidman lost a Viagra on a Pole match to Shane Douglas on Nitro. Apart from Shane his main opponents for the rest of the summer were Lance Storm and Elix Skipper. He got nothing from his win from Hogan and Hogan won the blow off of the feud anyway.

Kidman was working on tv with Steiner and Jarrett in October, not Juventud Guerrera.  I'm sure the Viagra on a Pole match is the direct result of working with Hogan previously lol.  Who are you kidding lol?  Does Kidman have anything on his resume bigger than having a pin fall victory over Hogan?  Where was he supposed to go from there, directly to the world title?  I'm sorry, but Billy Kidman doesn't look like a believable world heavyweight champion standing next to Goldberg, Steiner, Hogan, Booker T, etc.  He got to work a PPV with the biggest star in the history of the business.  That's not the worst thing ever.

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I am not saying Kidman should have been put over, only that he wasn't. He had a match with Steiner in the fall, but because they wanted someone Scott could beat that wouldn't mean having a big star put him over. It wasn't an ongoing feud. The entire Kidman vs. Hogan feud was just Russo playing up to the smarks. My main contention was it did little for Kidman in the long run.

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tamalie wrote: I am not saying Kidman should have been put over, only that he wasn't. He had a match with Steiner in the fall, but because they wanted someone Scott could beat that wouldn't mean having a big star put him over. It wasn't an ongoing feud. The entire Kidman vs. Hogan feud was just Russo playing up to the smarks. My main contention was it did little for Kidman in the long run.
I agree, it didn't do as much for Kidman as it could have, but we could say that for A LOT of guys when Russo was booking, couldn't we?  I just don't see how Russo's "all over the place" booking is Hogan's fault.

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