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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.



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Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

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And for Lawler, I think he's obsolete on commentary, but I would love to see him in the Mean Gene role instead of the stiff and generic hot chicks that they march in and out of the company to just be a human mic stand.  Lawler would do very well in that role I think, in small doses.



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I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.



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Superstar wrote: I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.

I think Excaliber is going to get it, since he called All In.  I have no opinion on that since I only heard him once.  I can't think of too many commentators who are unaffiliated right now. 

B.J. Whitmer could get the color spot, but I didn't think he was great in that role in ROH and from what I've heard he was hired to work backstage, although he could do both. 

If Taz is interested in getting back in the game, then I think that would be great.



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.

I think Excaliber is going to get it, since he called All In.  I have no opinion on that since I only heard him once.  I can't think of too many commentators who are unaffiliated right now. 

B.J. Whitmer could get the color spot, but I didn't think he was great in that role in ROH and from what I've heard he was hired to work backstage, although he could do both. 

If Taz is interested in getting back in the game, then I think that would be great.
Would love Taz to come back but I can't expect that to happen.  He has a grasp on what needs to be done to get the talent over extremely well.  I was thinking about Mike Goldberg but didn't realize he was with Bellator.



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

This. I don't think JR has lost anything, I just think he was in a no-win situation calling those matches..hell, the commentary without him is JUST as bad..



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ESPN.com interviews Cody on AEW.

http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/25781334/cody-rhodes-all-elite-wrestling-origins-future-chris-jericho-path-aew



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Married Jo wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

This. I don't think JR has lost anything, I just think he was in a no-win situation calling those matches..hell, the commentary without him is JUST as bad..

JR didn't even know the names to over half of the moves. He was beyond bad when he started and by the time his contract was over, he improved to just plain awful. 



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

Barnett is a MAJOR upgrade on Callis, who basically tries to play the comedian role, but is horrible at it.



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I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.



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WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

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Kriss wrote: WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

And not only that, but it's not like cable has packed up and gone home.  They still desperately need content.  I mean WWE just signed a huge money deal to extend the USA contract and their ratings are pathetic now.  You have to grade on a curve compared to 20 years ago.  The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans.  If the answer is no, just being on a top cable network isn't much to write home about.  But visibility on real TV is still somewhat important.  Just ask Impact.

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srossi wrote: The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans. 

I think this problem was two-fold back during the Monday Night Wars. The advertisers don't care who they are advertising to, one person's money is as good as another's. I think there was definitely a perception that wrestling fans were poor compared to the average TV fan. Also, if they had looked into it enough, they probably would have seen that most fans during the Monday Night Wars were changing the channel during the adverts. Personally, I haven't sat through an ad break since I had the control of the remote. With everyone having a smartphone or a tablet these days, I can't imagine anyone watching adverts these days. Most people are only half watching the programs, let alone the ads.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

And not only that, but it's not like cable has packed up and gone home.  They still desperately need content.  I mean WWE just signed a huge money deal to extend the USA contract and their ratings are pathetic now.  You have to grade on a curve compared to 20 years ago.  The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans.  If the answer is no, just being on a top cable network isn't much to write home about.  But visibility on real TV is still somewhat important.  Just ask Impact.
You've also forgotten the $1B that Fox gave WWE for Smackdown.  Somewhere, somehow, the term "Live Content" became very valuable.  Is AEW going to broadcast live every week?  Doubt it.  But that won't keep them from getting some money from the TBS/TNT connection if they actually sign that deal.  Khan has inroads with a lot of people so don't discount anything that they do.



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