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Superstar wrote: The only three big matches for Goldberg are Cody, Kenny, and Jericho.  And I think all three would sell tickets.  And honestly if you could get him for all three matches and put over at least Cody and/or Kenny with the Jericho match being a brawl that Goldberg wins, then you've accomplished something. 

Maybe you have him beat Jericho and Cody and then have Omega beat him at the end.  AEW fans might stomach that, but Omega losing to Goldberg at this point in both their careers would have a lot of AEW fans revolt.  Although not nearly as extreme an example, WCW showed that having mainstream attention does nothing but detract from your bottom line if you're driving away your fans in the process.  Bischoff still brags about Leno and Arquette getting WCW a paragraph in USA Today or some shit, in exchange for fans tuning out in droves over that.  The AEW fans who sold out a 10,000 seat arena in minutes to support a product they believed in are going to make WWE fans who shit on Reigns look like fans of Memphis circa 1975.  AEW has to be really careful about how they expand without turning off the uber-smarts, because let's face it, that core fanbase is all they will have for the first year or two and and the second you lose them, you won't have enough time to replace them before you're bleeding red ink.  Then it becomes a matter of how much patience Khan has and how much he's willing to lose while AEW figures out the right mix.  When you think about how much the wrestling fanbase as a whole has contracted since 1998, it's pretty scary.  There's not much leeway even for WWE, much less the indies.  WWE will have everyone watching WM no matter how shitty it is, and then 3 months later they'll be struggling to get 2 million fans to watch any of their shows.  They have a machine in place to absorb all the downtime, but even they are super niche these days. 

Other than WM, I don't think there's any such thing as mainstream appeal in wrestling anymore.  You might be just as well off having Pentagon as Goldberg, especially when you compare their salaries.  Most weeks, Raw is based entirely on guys like Rollins and Styles, which is barely any different except that they're WWE.  But these guys are indy to the core.     

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I would hate to see Goldberg in AEW but if they do bring him in they should put him over Jericho and then feed him to Omega but beyond that I don’t see him doing them much good.


I think AEW needs to be very careful with how they handle their “Stars” from day one as I think fan support could fall off at a moments notice.


Has AEW announced any working relationships with anyone in Japan?



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Franchise wrote: I would hate to see Goldberg in AEW but if they do bring him in they should put him over Jericho and then feed him to Omega but beyond that I don’t see him doing them much good.


I think AEW needs to be very careful with how they handle their “Stars” from day one as I think fan support could fall off at a moments notice.


Has AEW announced any working relationships with anyone in Japan?

Dragon Gate. They have CIMA and company coming in for Double Or Nothing. 



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They also have ties with Omega's former promotion, DDT.



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All Elite Wrestling issued the following:

Legendary Commentator Jim Ross Joins All Elite Wrestling in Most Lucrative Deal in Commentary History

-- AEW Signs Jim Ross to 3-Year Deal as Senior Advisor --

Las Vegas, NV (April 3, 2019) – All Elite Wrestling announced a groundbreaking three-year deal with legendary commentator Jim Ross, generally considered to be the greatest pro wrestling announcer of all time. Effective immediately, Ross will take on the role as Senior Advisor in what is the most lucrative deal in pro wrestling commentary history.

Ross’ first in ring appearance for AEW will be at DOUBLE OR NOTHING, the highly-anticipated event on Saturday, May 25, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. He will also work closely with the senior leaders at AEW on their roadmap to shift and reinvent the wrestling landscape.

“I’ve been part of the wrestling community since I was 7 years old, and there’s no greater thrill than welcoming the voice that I grew up with, Jim Ross, to our AEW family,” said Tony Khan, President of AEW. “We all share a common goal to make this the true golden age, to make this the greatest time ever to be a professional wrestling fan. And, as a business, we also seek to make this a new golden age for the performers and our staff members. Our entire team is thrilled to have Jim onboard and we can’t wait to shake things up together.”

“We’re all excited about having the legendary voice of our childhood come here and help the new generation of talent with his expertise,” said Nick Jackson, EVP at AEW.

“I’m moving on in a very positive way to this timely opportunity to be on the ground floor of one of the most exciting moments in the history of pro wrestling,” said Jim Ross. “I’ve known Tony, Cody, The Young Bucks and Kenny for a long time, and I know they’re going to change the world of pro wrestling. Their roster is already packed with top-level talent and up-and-comers. They’ve got a huge show coming up in May. They’ve brought in game-changing partners like KultureCity. And they’ve got an all-inclusive, welcoming culture like I’ve never seen before. I’m ready to change the world with them.”

All Elite Wrestling AEW is a new professional wrestling promotion headlined by members of The Elite (Cody Rhodes, Nick Jackson, Matt Jackson, Kenny Omega) and Chris Jericho. For the first time in many years, AEW is offering an alternative to mainstream wrestling, with a growing roster of world- class male and female wrestlers who are poised to bring new spirit, freshness and energy to the industry. The inaugural event under the AEW banner is DOUBLE OR NOTHING on May 25 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, followed by FIGHT FOR THE FALLEN on July 13 in Jacksonville. For more info, check out BeingTheElite.com (YouTube), @AEWrestling (Twitter), /TheYoungBucks (Facebook) and @TheBrandiRhodes (Instagram).



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It's been a long time since Jim Ross was the Head of Talent Relations for WWE and I really think his time has passed to hold such a top-ranking position in a new company. Senior Advisor can mean a lot of things, but I don't know how well he'll fit.

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WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross, who just signed with All Elite Wrestling as their Senior Advisor in what was touted as the biggest money contract for a commentator in pro wrestling history stated in an interview with WFAN Radio in New York City that AEW TV will debut on "a major cable network" this October.



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Reports are Turner Sports (TBS,TNT) will present AWE at their Upfronts to Advertisers May 15.



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bpickering wrote: Reports are Turner Sports (TBS,TNT) will present AWE at their Upfronts to Advertisers May 15.
How ironic.  They so desperately wanted to get out of the rasslin business 20 years ago.



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I am interested to see how AEW translates as a promotion once it is up and running on a larger scale. Those "Being The Elite" segments on YouTube get lots of views. AEW, or what amounts to it, sold out the Chicago show last fall. As AEW, it has another sell out coming up. However, these are two effective supercards that have relied on fly in fans with lots of advance build up. What happens when the promotion must run more regularly to get TV content created and must draw on the road in situations in which it can't rely on the internet hardcores from far away to fill the seats?

I realize we are talking about two different promotions with two different fan bases and promotional styles. However, TNA went live up against Raw with Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Sting, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, X-Pac, Rob Van Dam, the Dudleys, Jeff Hardy, and Mick Foley, plus familiar midcarders from the WWE, WCW, and ECW and home grown stars or guys with indy roots like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, and James Storm. It got killed. TNA, of course, couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena, then or now, if the show was free let alone sell all the tickets as AEW has.

Can AEW's momentum be sustained? Is this a case of there being a huge fan base out there waiting for AEW or is this a case of 25,000 people making a lot of noise that won't translate to this higher visibility stage that requires a larger audience?

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tamalie wrote: I am interested to see how AEW translates as a promotion once it is up and running on a larger scale. Those "Being The Elite" segments on YouTube get lots of views. AEW, or what amounts to it, sold out the Chicago show last fall. As AEW, it has another sell out coming up. However, these are two effective supercards that have relied on fly in fans with lots of advance build up. What happens when the promotion must run more regularly to get TV content created and must draw on the road in situations in which it can't rely on the internet hardcores from far away to fill the seats?

I realize we are talking about two different promotions with two different fan bases and promotional styles. However, TNA went live up against Raw with Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Sting, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, X-Pac, Rob Van Dam, the Dudleys, Jeff Hardy, and Mick Foley, plus familiar midcarders from the WWE, WCW, and ECW and home grown stars or guys with indy roots like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, and James Storm. It got killed. TNA, of course, couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena, then or now, if the show was free let alone sell all the tickets as AEW has.

Can AEW's momentum be sustained? Is this a case of there being a huge fan base out there waiting for AEW or is this a case of 25,000 people making a lot of noise that won't translate to this higher visibility stage that requires a larger audience?

I don't think AEW will be stupid enough to compete directly against WWE, or even see themselves as competition for WWE.  They don't have to.  If they can be twice as successful as ROH, maybe 1.5 times as successful, that will be a hell of an accomplishment and they can stay in business for years with everyone comfortably making money and the Khans floating them for life. 

And TNA's attempt at going head-to-head with Raw, no matter what talent they had lined up, was so poorly thought out and rushed that it's really not a fair comparison.  It almost came across as a rib by Hogan and Bischoff more than a serious attempt at doing business.  Hogan and Bischoff were getting paid massive amounts of money either way, money that TNA didn't have and wasn't going to be sustainable without them actually beating WWE, which was never going to happen.  Their mistake was hiring them in the first place.  Hogan and Bischoff saw Dixie for what she was, a money mark.  You know privately, at some point, one said to the other, "This might be our last huge paycheck in the business so let's just cash in and squeeze this dry.  If it works then great, if not we made our money and the fallout is TNA's problem."  I don't get that sense at all from the AEW project.  Tony Khan seems to be a legit businessman as well as a fan and Cody and the Bucks know their necks are on the line to make this work.  No one is in a rush to piss away other people's money like in TNA.   

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I think that AEW currently has the good will of the hardcore fans. If AEW keeps trying to give the fans what they want the fans will attend. Good Will is a fragile thing though and AEW is going to have to deliver and if they do a Bone headed thing like bring Goldberg in and put him over Omega or something crazy that good will be gone before the ring is taken down.



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Franchise wrote: I think that AEW currently has the good will of the hardcore fans. If AEW keeps trying to give the fans what they want the fans will attend. Good Will is a fragile thing though and AEW is going to have to deliver and if they do a Bone headed thing like bring Goldberg in and put him over Omega or something crazy that good will be gone before the ring is taken down.
It's going to be a constant struggle between keeping the current base happy and expanding that base.  If they're smart, they'll start small and try to grow organically without doing anything too splashy out of the gate that goes against what the fans who got them this far want to see.  It's a fine line.  



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AEW has announced the signing of EVOLVE star Darby Allin.  I've never seen him but I've heard good things. 



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Cody vs. Dustin is official for Double or Nothing. I must’ve missed it but Dustin apparently left WWE in late March after his contract expired and he refused to re-sign.  Dustin last wrestled in June 2018 and then had double knee surgery, and he just turned 50 last week, so it’ll be interesting to see exactly what he can do in this match. 

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