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Cody Rhodes & Young Bucks have officially announced All Elite Wrestling to debut later this year
Their first PPV will be All In 2: Double Or Nothing

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Free rally next Tuesday in Jacksonville right where Smackdown is taping to promote the event. All thevrecebtky departed ROH guys will be there including Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, and Scorpio Sky. B.J. Whitmer expected to work backstage.



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I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.



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Franchise wrote: I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.
I see that we are very much moving away from indies as we knew them. The indy scene has been carved up between several smaller leagues (and NXT) who sign talent to contracts that aren’t super prohibitive but are still contracts nonetheless. Everyone who has talent is going to be aligned with someone going forward. For example, just today MLW signed Davey’s Boy Smith, Jr. to a contract that will allow him to still compete in NJPW but likely spells the end of his ROH shots. Internationally, NXT UK has just basically obliterated the UK indy scene. So as ROH, Impact, MLW, AEW, Lucha Underground, the NWA, EVOLVE (affiliated with NXT), and future NXT iterations (maybe Mexico next) all sign talent, the only true indies will be your local high school gym card featuring complete unknowns mixed with 1990s stars for drawing power. 

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Cody was also named Executive Vice President today.



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Franchise wrote: I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.
i agree with this.  i know it is comparing apples to oranges, but wwe has an extremely hard time keeping peoples interested, and they have huge rosters with considerably better talent overall.  plus, unless this completely takes off on its own as a legitimate alternative, it can only sustain the hype and trend for so long until staleness starts to set in. 

that said, they seem to have some serious financial backing.  i will be far more interested in this after the njpw shows this weekend.  i feel like omega will have a weekend like styles had a few years ago, but i also think that angle may be too fresh for njpw.  either way, i certainly wish them and everyone involved the best.

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Supposedly, Tony Kahn ( son of the Jacksonville Jags owner) is throwing in $100M of his own money to get this off the ground. I've heard that they could get on TNT/TBS.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Supposedly, Tony Kahn ( son of the Jacksonville Jags owner) is throwing in $100M of his own money to get this off the ground. I've heard that they could get on TNT/TBS.
If that’s true then I think ROH and MLW are screwed; AEW would be a true number 2 



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I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

I imagine Davey has already dropped out of medical school and is looking for a contract. 

Does anyone know if the E has any meaningful contracts expiring in the next 6 months? 

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Franchise wrote:
I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

They are looking for a much bigger audience than the few wrestling nerds that watch ROH and New Japan every week.



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I think the few wrestling nerds will make up a sizeable portion of their audience for some time so I think staleness is a real thing but I also think Cody and the Young bucks have enough sense to try and work to avoid it.



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This thing is gaining traction but does anyone actually thing this will be sustainable and be a legitimate #2, or will this start strong with hype similar to how TNA did way back when and eventually become another place where ex WWE guys end up?



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cookie32723 wrote: This thing is gaining traction but does anyone actually thing this will be sustainable and be a legitimate #2, or will this start strong with hype similar to how TNA did way back when and eventually become another place where ex WWE guys end up?
Give me a $100m bankroll and I could start a wrestling league that becomes a legit #2 and I'm not a wrestling promoter.  In the last couple years of WCW, they lost about $80m with a roster loaded with expensive names.  I'm sure I could do better than that.  And if it's true that they are going to get clearance on TBS/TNT, even minimal revenue pulled from that stream could sustain them having a full time arena and production costs covered.  Somebody asked a question about guys who's contracts are expiring within six months.  I would bet that if the opportunity presents itself, you'll see Johnny Mundo, Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins, Dolph Ziggler, and even Miz jump to AWE.  And with national cable clearance and that bankroll, they can afford to extend an offer to Punk and see if he'll come down.  I think there is a lot of talent under the age of 36 that would jump to live and work primarily in Florida where the taxes and weather are beneficial to them.

My concept would be to make the first wave of guys become "partners" in the business.  What I mean is that you offer all of them the same downside guaranteed salary, and you give them the opportunity to equally share in the profits of the venture as if they were "shareholders", when in reality you are just basically setting a wage scale where the ones that come in at the beginning have an opportunity to make the most money if it becomes a great success.  The only thing these guys could lose is that if their downside guarantee is half of what they make in WWE, they couldn't make the difference up if it's a complete failure.  So much like Cody and the Bucks, the talent would be gambling on themselves.  All of the guys I mentioned above believe that they have been held back in WWE but they don't complain about it because they know that there is no place for them to go stateside that can pay anywhere near what they make in WWE.  Mundo left WWE and did Lucha Underground, TNA, and went to Mexico - I'm sure he'd rather be settled in Florida working weekly for a good paycheck that he can count on.



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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote:
I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

They are looking for a much bigger audience than the few wrestling nerds that watch ROH and New Japan every week.

Then they’re in for disappointment because wrestling nerds are the ones who watch wrestling. There’s just not a random group of 2-3 million people out there who don’t currently watch wrestling who are going to start. You hope you get every single indy fan, which at most is 500,000 or so, and then if all the stars align you pick up another 500,000 or so WWE fans. That’s all there is out there. And if you do that, you’re a huge success by every reasonable measure of wrestling on TV these days. We’re getting to the point where WWE would kill for 2.5 million viewers, so for an upstart to exceed 1 million is almost too much to hope for. 

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The wrestling nerds I was referring to are the few who watch everything out there, and have seen all the indie guys face each other. Most casual wrestling fans have only seen a handful of Young Bucks matches. Very few people are going to come to this product not thinking this is something new with new matches.



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