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 Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 01:39 am
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-       Becky Lynch shows up on Raw every week here lately.
 
-       The Women’s Tag Titles appear to be across both brands.
 
-       Not sure if the new NXT call ups have ever been assigned a show.  I think I saw Heavy Machinery on both shows already.
 
-       They ditched the General Managers.
 
 
Last time the brand split was ending, they had Raw “Super Shows” with Smackdown people showing up on Raw every week.  Kinda looks familiar here.






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It’s almost unbelievable that they have possibly the largest roster at any point in their history across Raw/Smackdown/NXT yet the same people are featured in the same matches so nothing ever feels new and the product could not be more stale. 



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cookie32723 wrote: It’s almost unbelievable that they have possibly the largest roster at any point in their history across Raw/Smackdown/NXT yet the same people are featured in the same matches so nothing ever feels new and the product could not be more stale. 
Agreed. 



Any chance EC3 could start out on a roll for a couple weeks?  Nah, he lost tonight.  Gable and Roode were really gaining momentum and their crowd response seemed to be growing.  They lost their titles tonight to a team who had their momentum stalled months ago and had been losing to Lucha House Party.
 
Becky apologized to Stephanie and Hunter, only to be put in her place by Vince, who showed up and suspended her again.
 
Oh, and Charlotte showed up from Smackdown too and has been added to the Wrestlemania match, which will eventually be a 3-way.  What was the point of that Women's Royal Rumble match again?

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I don’t even know what to say after tonight. This might be the first time in history that the babyface actually groveled to the heels and apologized without it being a trick. I’m speechless. You could already see throughout the show that she was less over than just 2 weeks ago. By WM, she’ll be getting booed too.



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Boz1515 wrote: -       Becky Lynch shows up on Raw every week here lately.
 
-       The Women’s Tag Titles appear to be across both brands.
 
-       Not sure if the new NXT call ups have ever been assigned a show.  I think I saw Heavy Machinery on both shows already.
 
-       They ditched the General Managers.
 
 
Last time the brand split was ending, they had Raw “Super Shows” with Smackdown people showing up on Raw every week.  Kinda looks familiar here.
Considering they've already announced a "Superstar Shake Up" on April 15, and both USA Network and Fox TV have expressed they do not want to share talent on their respective shows, I can't see the brand split ending anytime soon.

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Boz1515 wrote: -       Becky Lynch shows up on Raw every week here lately.
 
-       The Women’s Tag Titles appear to be across both brands.
 
-       Not sure if the new NXT call ups have ever been assigned a show.  I think I saw Heavy Machinery on both shows already.
 
-       They ditched the General Managers.
 
 
Last time the brand split was ending, they had Raw “Super Shows” with Smackdown people showing up on Raw every week.  Kinda looks familiar here.


I think we can answer all these without ending the brand split.

The main event for WM is scheduled to be a cross-brand match, which has always been possible given the stips of the Rumble. Years ago, they had a "respective brand" stip, but they were very clear this year Thatcher winner could challenge either champion.

The women's tag team title situation is just a mess. I can almost guarantee that they don't have any idea how they will book this title after Sunday. Having a minor title defended on both brands isn't a harbinger of an ending of the brand split, however.

The NXT call ups are free agents in storyline. Two of them lost last night, so why anyone would want to sign them is a good question. It's also unclear who called then up if they have arrived as free agents. Bad booking, but they are the lowest of the low, and this does not indicate an end to the brand split.

The McMahon have always see themselves as the cure for bad ratings, this they are now on both shows. In the past, USA have requested more McMahon, so this is just a knee jerk reaction to bad ratings.

What you saw on WWE last night was just simple bad storytelling. If they were going to end the brand split, the whole story would likely be told in one show, rather than develop slowly, as you are suggesting is taking place.



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It's hard to say if the brand split is ending. Often during Mania season people crossover to different shows in order to give the build up the biggest possible push. I think we need to wait until after Mania weekend to really get a clear picture. I wandered on to WWE.com the other day and could have sworn there was something about another Superstar Shakeup with people switching shows coming up at some point.

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tamalie wrote: I wandered on to WWE.com the other day and could have sworn there was something about another Superstar Shakeup with people switching shows coming up at some point.
It's coming soon.  The brand split is not ending.  They hyped it as the biggest Shakeup yet, covering all brands including NXT, NXT: UK, and 205 Live.  So we'll see what happens, but that's not WWE's problem.  They can rearrange the chairs on the Titanic all they want, they need to figure out how to utilize guys.   



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Kriss wrote: Boz1515 wrote: -       Becky Lynch shows up on Raw every week here lately.
 
-       The Women’s Tag Titles appear to be across both brands.
 
-       Not sure if the new NXT call ups have ever been assigned a show.  I think I saw Heavy Machinery on both shows already.
 
-       They ditched the General Managers.
 
 
Last time the brand split was ending, they had Raw “Super Shows” with Smackdown people showing up on Raw every week.  Kinda looks familiar here

What you saw on WWE last night was just simple bad storytelling. If they were going to end the brand split, the whole story would likely be told in one show, rather than develop slowly, as you are suggesting is taking place.
I’m not really suggesting anything, just making observations based on what is happening on tv and comparing it to what happened last time the brand split ended for the sake of discussion.
 
The question that hasn’t been answered is, “What is the point of the Women’s Royal Rumble match if the winner can simply be eliminated by Vince?”  Asking from a current story line perspective of course, since we all know she’ll be added back later.
 
The booking is all WCW-Russo esque.  For example, in the last two weeks:
 
1)    Becky was out – she wasn’t originally scheduled to be in the Rumble
2)    Becky was in – when she won the Rumble entering for Lana
3)    Becky was out – when she wouldn’t see a doctor, hit Stephanie, slapped Triple H
4)    Becky was in – when she apologized and shook Triple H’s hand
5)    Becky was out – when Vince said she is suspended for 60 days
 
Of course, she’ll be back in, but it’s like we have to watch Raw to see all of the WCW-Russo type flip flopping instead of watching a solid Wrestlemania build.

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Why does everything have to be so full of bullshit? What’s wrong with Becky winning the rumble and getting her match and having a strong build to said match?


It may just be the Vince involvement but when he came out last night with flair in tow it reminded me of the corporation with flair playing the Rock role and Becky playing the Austin role.



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One big problem with WWE being live every week is that they can and do continually tweak and course correct their story. Let's say you're watching Game of Thrones. You can moan and bitch about something happening in Episode 1, but the next 10 or whatever episodes have all been finished, so you just have to watch every week to see how the story unfolds.

There is nothing wrong with Becky being in and out of the Rumble, because it's a story. We KNOW she will be in the main event of WM, and this is the build.

The biggest problem with WM is that we have two matches, and nothing else. It might start to get better after Sunday's PPV - yes, there is a PPV this weekend.

I do think that the IWC has started to over-analyse wrestling far too much lately. If something doesn't match with personal booking ideas, or how they did it back in the good old days (whenever they were for you), people bitch and moan. And then we all watch WM anyway, and over-analyze, and so on and so on...



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Kriss wrote: There is nothing wrong with Becky being in and out of the Rumble, because it's a story. We KNOW she will be in the main event of WM, and this is the build.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so like you said there is nothing wrong with it, except it potentially damages the credibility of the Rumble match.  What's the point of it now?  Also, the recent ratings are a pretty good indicator of how the audience feels about how things are going.

Kriss wrote: The biggest problem with WM is that we have two matches, and nothing else. It might start to get better after Sunday's PPV - yes, there is a PPV this weekend.  
Yeah, so normally you have the champion from each brand and the #1 contenders in the title matches.  The top 2 Smackdown contenders are in the Raw title match.  From a story line perspective, Asuka's Wrestlemania opponent would be like the #3 contender from Smackdown now lol.

Kriss wrote: I do think that the IWC has started to over-analyze wrestling far too much lately. If something doesn't match with personal booking ideas, or how they did it back in the good old days (whenever they were for you), people bitch and moan. And then we all watch WM anyway, and over-analyze, and so on and so on...
Yeah, when Vince told Becky that she was acting like she is bigger than WWE, I thought he was trolling the IWC who always say no one gets bigger than the company anymore, etc.



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It doesn’t forever need to be 1987 to keep me happy but keep the focus on the fake fighting and off of the adjustments and tweaks.



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