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 Posted: Sun Jun 30th, 2019 09:58 pm
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I thought I would start a thread to discuss all things AEW going forward.

So last night in Daytona Beach was the AEW 'Fyter Fest' card which was streamed live, for free on the 'B/R Live' site.

In the Evolve anniversary show thread I mentioned that I didn't think this show looked good on paper as there were too many multi-person, clusterfu**k matches for my liking and didn't understand some of the booking of the matches. I also wrote that I really want the company to succeed, but I do see myself agreeing with Jim Cornette in a lot of the criticisms he has had so far with their events.
So I watched it. I had no problem with any of the actual in ring action, besides that Nakazawa match. That was terrible. The skits were shitty, especially "the librarians". I thought they wanted to separate themselves from WWE and offer a more sports-like product as opposed to sports entertainment. Their "skits" were actually worse than WWE's.
Anyway, I thought the matches were fine, I just thought some of the psychology wass way off as for some of the reasons the matches were taking place. Why would Moxley and Janela have such a brutal match? They had no history as far as I know, besides them both being past deathmatch guys? That match would have been perfectly fine to me if it was a blowoff to a long feud between the two. Yeah, yeah, I get that Moxley wants to be seen as just one "wild and crazy guy", but the level of violence in the match made no sense to me. I did love the old school "lights out" stipulation though. It just didn't fit the scenario, with it being the first match between the two. Omega coming out afterwards and getting some revenge for "Double Or Nothing" I thought was really well executed and a nice way to end the show.

Damn Cody took quite the chairshot. I thought the announcers could have done a better job in explaining who Spears was though and his past connection to Cody. As far as the match with Darby Allin, I thought it was great, but again, why was this match happening? Cody is one of the top guys in the company and Allin (a virtual unknown to me, and I am sure to any casual viewers last night) was debuting....Why did this guy get a debut match in one of the semi main events against Cody? Again to me the psychology was off on this. I loved the story they told in the ring though, but man Allin is really, really small. Very noticeable compared to Cody, who isn't the biggest guy himself.

Anyway, I gotta go out, but again, I loved the in ring action, I just thought the skits were bad and the psychology in why some of the matches happened wasn't there. I haven't really read any reviews yet, but I would think the show got mostly positive reviews. Not a great show imo, but very good. 

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Everything I've seen it's getting hit pretty hard...said some of the wrestling was good but overall it was a massive step backwards...

Btw, can we discuss what a punk ass Omega is? For the last week AEW guys have been taking digs all over twitter at the WWE, basically it's been open game on WWE since the last AEW PPV, a PPV that had Cody beating up HHH's throne, them constantly taking shots at them. So WWE puts the Evolve show on their Network the same night AEW has a show on July 13th and Omega tweets how horrid it is the WWE would DARE program against their little charity gig..I mean, come on dude, you guys wanted a battle, you can't get butthurt when they fire a shot back at you..

He's tweeting that WWE is basically stealing money from a charity but all I read was they're donating the live gate to the charity so another show on the WWE network at the same time isn't costing them dick in dollars..



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Most people need to stop analyzing things and just allow them to get their business up and running. Their roster is very, very thin at this point outside of the Elite and Moxley. By the time they are on TV, or pretty close after, they'll also have Gallows and Anderson (you'd pretty much think that's a given). What that helps them with is having a natural tag team opponent for the Bucks, and also another good match near the top of the card. But the reality is on July 1, they aren't much more than an indy company right now. The shows that they are putting on have talent, but of course there's no real storyline to follow or reason why people would do what they are doing. Until there is either a TV show on the air, or they use the two prior cards to further a storyline, these matches are just that...matches.

Reading the above post saying "massive step backwards", well, of course it is. There's a real difference between a PPV that they charge $50 for, and a free show on Bleacher Report that is basically just a charity driven house show. For fans to say "massive step backwards" and have it have some sort of real meaning to it, they'd also have to compare Wrestlemania to the next house show in Altoona PA at the Joffa Mosque. You just can't do that.

Carpetbeggar mentions their awful "skits". Well, I am of the belief that most of the backstage crap is just that, CRAP. If they are doing old school style interviews where their 'Mean Gene' character is interviewing the talent about that night's program and their opponent, I'm all in. Everything else is total horseshit. BUT...with such a thin roster on a free show, you have to expect that they are going to do something to stretch for time so that they don't totally give away the future on a free show. That's why there were so many tags, gimmicks, etc. and no "Kenny vs Cody" type deals (and for that matter, no Jericho).

I still say we won't know if this promotion has any teeth until we give them a full year to show us. There are going to be growing pains with the wrestling and the production, but as long as there isn't a major fuckup with ticket sales and distribution, I still say they will be ok.



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We already have an AEW thread "It's official". Maybe we can combine these two with this topic title.

I haven't had time to read the comments, but my general thoughts are that it was a fairly average show with some good wrestling, some horrible attempts at comedy, and a lot of hardcore stuff that's been missing from the mainstream for 20 years. Whether the latter is good or not I don't know. I'm kinda over it. The younger generation who never saw it might like it. Or they may be horrified because it's a different era now. The latter might be what happened as I got the sense that a lot of people were uncomfortable with some of the barbed wire and thumbtack spots in the Ambrose-Janela match. And the unprotected chair shot that split Cody's skull like a melon generated universal condemnation and made Tony Khan look bad.

I think this show was supposed to be a holding pattern show and nothing special, and people expected more from it. But then they also took a step back with some unnecessary controversy and bad comedy.

Also, I assume this will be handled better with weekly TV, but they HAVE to start introducing guys better. Who the fuck is Darby Allen and why should anyone care? Cody is small and Cody looked like Andre the Giant next to this guy, but they put him over like a huge psycho-killer threat. The announcers did an OK job with that, but we need packages and something more. Maybe this is all done on their YouTube shows but I'm a hardcore fan and don't watch that, and how many others do? Some of the stuff they do is WAY too niche, even for me.

Also, the announcers gelled a bit better this time, but production-wise they're still really behind the curve of even Impact.  Way too many awkward pauses and not knowing where to throw it.  They even botched telling fans how to watch the free show on the kick-off.  They need to get this down, period, no excuses. 

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I've watched Being the Elite for the past few weeks, and I watched FyterFest. The comedy is very, very inside. Likr they are making the jokes just for themselves inside. The whole Fyre Fest deal I did not get until I read someone explaining it. They based a show-long running gag on a Netflix documentary. I've read an explanation for the librarian gimmick, and I still don't get it.

I guess FyterFest is a wrestling show held at a video game convention? They really didn't explain very well. Having the mark promoter of the convention live on TV in a wrestling match is just bush league, and completely exposes the business.

Having said that, there were some cracking matches on the main show. I have no problem with a large number of tag matches. I just want to watch good matches. The six-way match with The Elite vs the Mexicans was outstanding. The chair shot... Meltzer says he was told that the chair was gimmicked, but Dillinger fucked up and beaned him with the leg of the chair instead of the seat. I don't want to see that kind of shit though, gimmicked chair or not, it just reminds me of dead ECW wrestlers.

The main event was nuts. I guess Moxley is just legit crazy and needed to get a CZW-style match out of his system, but the market for that bloody style is pretty niche. If this was the blow-off to a feud, I'd maybe buy it, but there was no reason presented for these guys wanting to fight like this. Blood in glorious HD on a large flatscreen TV is a world away from watching wrestling from a VHS tape on my tiny TV back in the day. Dripping blood in HD isn't for me.

If they had trimmed this show of all the bullshit and just put it out as a 2 hour show of great matches, it would have been great. I really hope AEW succeeds, but someone needs to keep the humor in check, because it's right at the level of WWE humor.

Hopefully one consequence of AEW is that WWE with it's new regimes will allow their guys to go all out in their matches now. In their primes, Bischoff and Heyman both let guys go out and have the best matches they could, wherever they were on the card.

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Married Jo wrote: Everything I've seen it's getting hit pretty hard...said some of the wrestling was good but overall it was a massive step backwards...

Btw, can we discuss what a punk ass Omega is? For the last week AEW guys have been taking digs all over twitter at the WWE, basically it's been open game on WWE since the last AEW PPV, a PPV that had Cody beating up HHH's throne, them constantly taking shots at them. So WWE puts the Evolve show on their Network the same night AEW has a show on July 13th and Omega tweets how horrid it is the WWE would DARE program against their little charity gig..I mean, come on dude, you guys wanted a battle, you can't get butthurt when they fire a shot back at you..

He's tweeting that WWE is basically stealing money from a charity but all I read was they're donating the live gate to the charity so another show on the WWE network at the same time isn't costing them dick in dollars..

Yeah, I wrote this in the EVOLVE thread a few days ago:

Kenny Omega threw a hissy fit on Twitter (since deleted) about WWE having blood on their hands for going to Saudi Arabia and now they are trying to ruin AEW's "charity show". My feelings on Saudi Arabia are very clear, but Omega needs to understand that it's competition time now and he's drawn the ire of the most powerful force in wrestling. It's time to step up and not bitch on Twitter about counter-programming, a measure taken by WWE since about 1985 or so. Come on, don't be fucking naïve.  Omega is the top star in the company posing the most serious threat to WWE in 20 years, so if he can't take the pressure behind the scenes he's going to have a really tough time over the next few years.

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For those who have asked why gaming personality Golden Boy worked as an announcer at AEW Fyterfest, it was the same reason the Michael Nakazawa vs. Alex JeBailey bout aired - it was part of the partnership to hold the event in conjunction with the CEO x Gaming convention.  Kenny Omega was the point person for that relationship, as he was last year when the event was promoted in conjunction at the time with New Japan Pro Wrestling. 

There's been a lot of attention to the chairshot that Cody took on the show.  Obviously, no one involved wanted him to get busted open.  It appears that when he turned, the top of the chair caught him accidentally. In the context of the storyline, it made Shawn Spears a villain, but with the way today's audience looks at things, the heat isn't on the heel but on the promotion for allowing it to happen.  They could have had the exact same moment with Cody getting his hands up for the same dramatic effect, so to me, it's just not worth it to do the unprotected shots.  I get the impression that the promotion certainly took note of the negative response and I don't think we'll ever see them regularly, but I do want to point out there's a big hypocrisy in fans being so negative to the chairshot while also praising all the bumps through barbed wire, off ladders and onto thumbtacks on the same show.  You can't bemoan someone taking crazy physical punishment and then cheer someone else on for doing the same thing.  It's all physically detrimental to those involved.

Kip Sabian vs. Hangman Page has been officially added to the 7/13 Fight for the Fallen event in Jacksonville, Florida.

Brandi Rhodes noted on social media that Cody had 12 staples in his head the first time he asked her out and now here they are years later, married, and he's back with 12 staples in his head.  That's romance, I, uh, guess?

Tony Khan noted during a post media scrum that the hardcore style matches that aired on Fyterfest would be seen on AEW PPV but would not be on the weekly AEW TV series when it debuts this October.  He also shot down the idea of doing intergender wrestling in the promotion as he's not a fan of it.

Alex Marvez was backstage at Fyterfest and filmed material for future AEW use.

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AEW needs to get a streaming service going and compile all of this shit into one location. I don’t have the Fite app, until this show I’d never heard of the bleacher report thing and I’m not going to waste my time looking around YouTube for videos from the elite and Chris van velt and whoever else.


I’m old, lazy and not all that interested as I already have way too much wrestling on tap that I never have enough time to watch



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Have zero interest in AEW or the WWE as of now. NJPW for me, baby!



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Breaking today is that Private Party, pretty much the only good thing about the Fyter Fest pre-show, were offered contracts by the Young Bucks as soon as they stepped backstage.

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srossi wrote: Breaking today is that Private Party, pretty much the only good thing about the Fyter Fest pre-show, were offered contracts by the Young Bucks as soon as they stepped backstage.

There was footage of this on Being the Elite that was uploaded on Monday. Fake news.

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It was announced that Shawn Spears will be managed by Tully Blanchard. Hoping it's not just for the one match vs Cody.



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Superstar wrote: It was announced that Shawn Spears will be managed by Tully Blanchard. Hoping it's not just for the one match vs Cody.
AEW's Facebook post says they've come to terms on "a multi-show agreement" with Tully.  So it won't be one show, but I also don't expect it to last all that long.  If Tully wanted back in full-time, I imagine he'd be more likely to support his daughter in Impact and only have to appear for the limited TV tapings and special events they have, rather than be on TV weekly for AEW on TNT.  Unless they threw a stupid amount of money at him, which really could be better spent elsewhere.  As much as I like Tully, him managing in 2019 won't mean much.   



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The first Wednesday Night Dynamite broadcast officially announced:



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Here is the YouTube link for the AEW on TNT trailer, it's very good:

https://youtu.be/R_pA-9ItkQ8



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