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Just finished watching last night’s episode and I thought it was the worst one yet. They did not end the year on a high note.



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Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”



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srossi wrote: Quattro wrote: I don’t want characters Rossi, I want old school rasslers.

This is just hokey.

They are missing boat bigly with Blanchard. He needs to be talking about recreating Tully Blanchard Enterprises.

Have arn involved and opposing him somehow. Have TBE go after Dustin or Cody. Have Arn try to assist the Rhodes only for them to turn on the Rhodes yet again

Honestly revisiting the Rhodes vs. Horseman feud has very limited appeal to 99% of fans in 2020, even the ones that know the history. They’re mostly killing WWE in the under 40 demo and focusing on that, so this isn’t going to happen. But obviously Tully could be better utilized, so you won’t get an argument from me on that. 


Quattro, I don't know why you watch AEW, because it's never going to become the wrestling that you want it to. I would compare this to a sitcom fan who loves Friends watching 30 Rock every week but complaining that it's too wacky and surreal, or a Patrick Stewart fan who loved him doing Shakespeare in the theater complaining that every episode in Star Trek is set in space and  the aliens look ridiculous.

AEW is what it is, indie wrestling done on a grand scale. Hopefully they will take stock and realise that not everything that works in PWG works on weekly television. If you're not watching it already, you would enjoy NXT a lot more.



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srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?

Neither of the Street Profits had done any pro wrestling before they were signed.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?

Neither of the Street Profits had done any pro wrestling before they were signed.

Angelo Dawkins is a guy who I thought had bounced around a lot, but maybe not.  I feel like I've been hearing that name forever, but not as a high-level guy.

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srossi wrote: Angelo Dawkins is a guy who I thought had bounced around a lot, but maybe not.  I feel like I've been hearing that name forever, but not as a high-level guy.

Dawkins was an amateur wrestler. He debuted on NXT TV in early 2014 and went through a few different gimmicks, mostly as a jobber, until the Street Profits got going.



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So NXT beat AEW in all the demos last night, even the 18-49. I would think AEW would be concerned with only half as many people who watched their first couple shows watching now. They are still losing viewers week to week. I see Meltzer is now being more critical of their booking now (and rightfully so). Tony Khan needs to sit his EVP's down and straight up tell them that they just do not have a clue what they are doing when it comes to booking. Omega especially needs an intervention to be told his "joshi" wrestlers he loves so much are just horrid. I don't care if their loser fan boy crowd that goes to their live shows think Riho is "cute and cuddly" she can't work a lick. 80% or their women's roster should not be allowed on TV unless they are paid extras, just there for someone like Awesome Kong to squash.
It seems so much of what AEW does is only booked to get over with their die-hard audience who buy the tickets to see them live and were already indy fans previously. They don't seem to be doing much to get anyone else interested in watching every week.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2019/12/19/wwe-nxt-obliterates-aew-dynamite-in-final-ratings-showdown-of-2019/#8c6f8154205a

"Following last week’s unlikely tie, WWE NXT drew an average viewership of 795,000, up 2% from 778,000 viewers last week. AEW Dynamite’s season finale drew 683,000 average viewers—down 12% from 778,000 last week. For the first time since the start of the Wednesday Night Wars, NXT also won the night in the 18-49 demos, ranking No. 27 while AEW Dynamite came in at No. 30."

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carpetbeggar wrote: So NXT beat AEW in all the demos last night, even the 18-49. I would think AEW would be concerned with only half as many people who watched their first couple shows watching now. They are still losing viewers week to week. I see Meltzer is now being more critical of their booking now (and rightfully so). 
Meltzer has been pushing the young demo numbers so hard and making every ratings loss sound like a resounding victory because of that, but last night they finally lost the 18-49 demo so that seems like a bad sign.  Meltzer hilariously blamed the bad ratings on the impeachment hearings, saying both shows were down because of it!  As if anyone in AEW's young demo gives a shit about that.  Then, when someone pointed out that NXT's viewership was actually up overall compared to last week, he said something like, "Well it would've been up more without the impeachment hearings but AEW was really hurt by them."  And then he gets combative on Twitter with people who mock him.

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Tony Schiavone is all fired up on the "Whatever happened To" podcast

“Well Eric got f*cked over once by Vince [McMahon] this year, so why wouldn’t Vince f*ck him over again? You know what? That’s f*cking fine with me. And I hope that I’m working with AEW until the day I die, because once it’s all over with, my family has been instructed, I’ve told you this I think on the air here before, my family has been instructed that if they want to induct me in anyway, postmortem, the answer from the family is no. So, don’t expect from me to be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame. You know, now I’m pissed off. I’m pissed off because Eric is not a part of the n.W.o. into the Hall Of Fame, and I’m pissed off because Eric got f*cked over by Vince McMahon. Not Bruce Prichard, who’s our friend, who’s a good guy, straight up guy, but by Vince McMahon. You know, and everybody knows that Eric was brought in just so he could get fired, and that f*cking sucks. I know it, and I’ll guarantee you that I’m right, and the fact he wasn’t put in the n.W.o. Hall Of Fame — into the Hall Of Fame with the n.W.o. confirms it.”

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In what universe is Tony getting posthumously inducted into the WWE HOF?



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AEW needs a booker. Like a singular creative person to book.

I was hoping AEW would be an American jazzed up version of a Japanese promotion based around a real supposed athletic competition instead, I am not sure what the heck it is honestly.

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Kriss wrote: In what universe is Tony getting posthumously inducted into the WWE HOF?

Tony’s 



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Guess I should try NXT

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