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 Posted: Thu Mar 19th, 2020 02:06 am
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As usual, Jericho made the show with his great mic work.



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Best show they've done imo and one of the most entertaining two hours in a long, long time.

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Another really entertaining 2 hours of wrestling. Way better than SD and Raw obviously. One wonders how long they could keep this going if restrictions on social distancing get stricter. I think they know this as well, being as they specifically didn't say they would be back next week. Brandi is a way better ring announcer than Justin Roberts, because she just announces without any bullshit. She learned from Lilian Garcia, while Roberts sounds like a carnival barker. Cody's tattoo is still horrible, and given that his non-wrestling attire is a suit which hides half of it, was such a bad decision all round. It's amazing how much of a difference a crowd of 20 makes vs a crowd of 0. Maybe WWE can learn something for WrestleMinia.



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Maybe the best AEW show yet. Just incredibly entertaining. I couldn’t believe how well they did this. Even the usually hit-or-miss captions for the wrestlers were home runs (Adam Page - “Social distancing since November”). The debuts of Lee and Hardy weren’t even affected by no crowd. AEW should hope that fans can’t return for a year and Vince will come crawling to them for help.



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you know what was blatantly noticeable last night which hasn't been noticeable in wrestling in a LONG time? All those guys were loving the hell out of what they were doing. They were having fun and it showed. I swear when I tune in WWE the last few years they all just look miserable..

btw, screw Matt Hardy's return, I was glad to see the return of Vanguard 1 :D



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Married Jo wrote: you know what was blatantly noticeable last night which hasn't been noticeable in wrestling in a LONG time? All those guys were loving the hell out of what they were doing. They were having fun and it showed. I swear when I tune in WWE the last few years they all just look miserable..

btw, screw Matt Hardy's return, I was glad to see the return of Vanguard 1 :D

It helps when you can say whatever you want and aren’t terrified you will get yelled at for forgetting a line, and it really helps when you don’t have someone screaming at you backstage to continue to play to a non-existent crowd like Vince was doing because he’s hopelessly out of touch and unable to adapt at his age anymore. These guys went out there and did their thing, logically and with humor about the situation. No one was cowering in a corner that if they didn’t point at an imaginary fan and mindlessly recite “We’re here to put a smile on your face” that they would get berated. 

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Kriss wrote: Another really entertaining 2 hours of wrestling. Way better than SD and Raw obviously. One wonders how long they could keep this going if restrictions on social distancing get stricter. I think they know this as well, being as they specifically didn't say they would be back next week. Brandi is a way better ring announcer than Justin Roberts, because she just announces without any bullshit. She learned from Lilian Garcia, while Roberts sounds like a carnival barker. Cody's tattoo is still horrible, and given that his non-wrestling attire is a suit which hides half of it, was such a bad decision all round. It's amazing how much of a difference a crowd of 20 makes vs a crowd of 0. Maybe WWE can learn something for WrestleMinia.

You are absolutely right about Brandi. It's no secret that I am not a fan of Roberts, he's terrible. Ring announcing would be the perfect job for Brandi, plus she could still be by her husband's side as well.
Lol at Cody's tattoo. He must be getting ribbed non-stop by "the boys" over it.

I just want to say again how freaking great Sammy G. was singing Jericho's entrance music. Him and MJF singing together there for a second was priceless and it even popped Jericho as he looked over at them and had to turn his head away from the camera because he was trying not to burst out laughing.

I hear and read a lot online that a lot of the older wrestlers get a bit of scuttlebutt of what's going on behind the scenes there and they all say the majority of the young guys have no interest in any of the knowledge that the veterans have to give...I think we can guess who they are. Basically the whole tag team division. To me though it looks like Sammy G., MJF and Darby are the ones looking like the next big stars to hit it really big. All three just seem to improve more and more every time I see them. Not so much from the others. This is just my thinking, as I have nothing to back this up, but it wouldn't surprise me if Jericho is spending a lot of time sharing knowledge with Sammy. I think Jericho sees a lot in him. It wouldn't surprise me if the three guys I listed are the three guys who sit and listen to what the veterans have to say the most. Those three are going to make a lot of money during their careers. I'd like to add Jungle Jack to that list, but I'm still not totally sold on him yet. I'm sure I will be proven wrong and I hope I am.I gotta check out some interviews with him on YouTube. Has he done Jericho's, J.R.'s or any of the other podcasts?

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“Lol at Cody's tattoo. He must be getting ribbed non-stop by "the boys" over it.”

Jericho said it looked like Xcalibur finger painted on his neck while drunk, or something similar. Jericho was on fire last night.



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Dave Scherer loved last night's Dynamite too.

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Under extremely trying circumstances, last night’s episode of AEW Dynamite may have been the best show in company history. It came at a time when I, and many other wrestling fans, needed a fun distraction. Thank you Tony Khan for giving it to us.

They did a lot of things right on the show last night, and it gave a feeling of normalcy that has been missing for the last week or so as more and more of the world goes on what is basically lockdown. Let’s take a look at some of the things they did really right last night, while being mindful of whether they will be able to do it again in the near future.

They delivered the fun. From Cody’s awesome promo to start the show to Matt Hardy’s debut at the end, AEW was by far the funnest show of the no audience era so far (and there are reasons for that that we will get into below). The wrestling was crisp and with the wrestlers in the audience, they complemented the announcers with enough noise to seem like we were actually watching a wrestling show. The idea of having MJF and Shawn Spears betting on the matches was a great way to get them in earshot. Throughout the evening, more and more people came out and made more and more noise. That just added to the fun. It could very well have come at a cost though.

They showed that they are past the point of the crowd needing to enhance the show. When the company started, as anyone with a modicum of sense would expect, they had their growing pains. Some weeks the show was good, some weeks not so much. But the one constant that they had in their corner was their amazing crowd. They added so much to every show and made it seem like an event that needed to be seen. Last night, they did not have the element of their show to lean on last night and they made it clear, they didn’t need it. On last week’s FMB, Mike Epsenhart and I talked about how AEW as a company, and Tony Khan as a head booker, have found their groove and that was on full display last night. The stories they are telling now are very interesting to me, to the point I have actually gotten a VPN service so I can watch the PPVs at a reasonable price. That is a huge compliment. They have also done a good job in developing new stars. I give them a lot of credit for that.

Matt’s debut was great. For a while now, we all wondered what Matt would do when his WWE contract expired. It always seemed to me that he wanted to actually wrestle and he wouldn’t get the opportunity to really do what he wanted in WWE or NXT. Then when he came out to face off with Randy Orton on Raw, it was clear to me by the shape he was in that he was going to go somewhere and put that to use. I believe him when he said he thought about it long and hard but I said a while ago I thought he would end up in AEW, where he could truly perform the way that he wants to perform. I am really happy that he will get that opportunity. He did such a great job creating Broken Matt in Impact, only to have it wasted in WWE. So, I was really happy to see the appearance of Vanguard 1. I legitimately popped for it. Now Matt has the chance to really take it somewhere. I am excited to see that play out. I am also really glad that it won’t be as the leader of The Dark Order.

Brodie Lee debuted as well, and I was very happy to see him. We all knew it was a matter of when Lee would appear for AEW and last night was the night. Above I said I am glad that Hardy is not the leader of the Dark Order, but I am glad Lee is. Hardy is an established commodity and belongs in the main event slot he debuted in last night. It would be a waste to make Matt the leader, but it’s a golden opportunity to establish Lee and take him to the next level. WWE never seemed to know what to with him. I don’t think AEW will make that mistake. Lee has a lot to offer.

Jake Roberts/Lance Archer’s vignette was great. Jake’s promo was great (I know, big shocker coming from him). The vignette where Archer destroyed all comers was really cool too, an innovative. There is definitely a lot of old school in what AEW does, and this is an element that I really love about what they do. This is the kind of wrestling from the past that definitely has a place in 2020 (unlike, say, unprotected chairshots to the head).

But here’s the thing, was it a one time only event? Clearly, AEW violated a number of the rules in place right now for the pandemic (and clearly all of wrestling will as you can’t work someone and stay six feet away from them, unless maybe you are Orange Cassidy selling imaginary moves). Obviously, social distancing is impossible given the nature of the business. But clearly the “groups of ten people or more” rule was thrown out the window. Last week I asked numerous WWE sources why they didn’t have some employees or trainees in the seats at the PC to make some noise during the matches. They all said the same thing, they were not allowed. They couldn’t have people in the crowd and they had to perform in front of an empty area. WWE is not under the radar the way that AEW is (or maybe was) so they can’t violate rules. They are also publicly traded while AEW isn’t. As Mike reported on the site last night, it’s clear AEW realizes that what they did last night may be a one time only thing. The city or state or TNT itself may say you can’t do that again. That is why all of the graphics didn’t say “next week” when they talked about upcoming matches. And it’s also really clear that War Ga…..er Blood and Guts has been postponed. As it should be. That spectacle should take place in front of a rabid crowd, not an empty building. My hope is that they will be able to do next week’s show exactly as they did last night’s but like the company itself, I am not taking that for granted. So, if that was their last show until the situation gets better, they left us on a super high note, and I appreciate the hell out of that. Thanks AEW.

What WWE can learn from this. As I said last night, AEW had the best show yet since the no audience edict started last week. And unlike Raw and Smackdown, they had a lot of actual new wrestling on the show. What they showed us is it can be done. What it showed me was that crowd noise is something WWE HAS to make a part of their shows, in some shape of form. Crowd noise adds to the spectacle of wrestling. Personally, I don’t really look at the fans to hear their noise, if you know what I mean. The noise is what’s important. They need to start piping that in, and luckily for them in that scenario they can also give the desired reaction to segments since they will have complete control. They also need should put up a mini-tron since it makes the show more of a spectacle. In a lot of ways, they should kind of approach presenting TV like doing a video game. If they can CGI fans into the seats, all the better. But it’s crystal clear after last night they need crowd noise to add to the product. It’s a must.

Thanks for reading. During these trying times, I am blessed to be able to sit down at my keyboard and crank out content. I appeciate all of you who read this for making that happen. I hope we can give you a diversion during these trying times and much like AEW did for me last night, give you a sense of normalcy as we fight to get back to normal life.



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CGI fans and piped in crowd noise? Is he high?

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srossi wrote: Dave Scherer loved last night's Dynamite too.

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Thanks for reading. During these trying times, I am blessed to be able to sit down at my keyboard and crank out content. I appeciate all of you who read this for making that happen. I hope we can give you a diversion during these trying times and much like AEW did for me last night, give you a sense of normalcy as we fight to get back to normal life.


As opposed to what Dave, sitting on a stool in your shower cranking that content out?
Or how about your toilet?
CGI Lol, and like I posted in a thread somewhere here a week or two ago, they can pipe in that old crowd noise track they used on 'WCW Saturday Night' back in the early to middle nineties.

Dave "Wanker" Scherer has to be the worst of these so called "wrestling journalists".

I'm disappointed in you srossi in posting Dave Scherer's take on last night's show. Like that means anything. He is just another fan posting is opinion like the rest of us.
I value your opinion ten times over to what Scherer thinks about anything.
You should write a blog rossi, every Thursday here giving your thoughts and opinion on 'Dynamite'. You have more time to do it during your work day since you are working from home now. Since AEW has renewed a lot of lapsed fans here at S&W I think it's time to bring back "From Under My Yankees Cap". 
I'm actually serious about that and not ribbing either, I care what all you guys here think of the show than those "journalists". I always check here first for a review of a show and to see if I missed anything.
So how about it rossi, you up for resurrecting your review column?You post enough here anyway that it won't take any extra time.

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Well I skimmed the first couple of points and agreed with them, so I posted the whole thing. Scherer went off the rails a bit towards the end, and I’m not a big fan of his since I’ve started seeing some of his tweets, but I have followed him since the 1wrestling.com days. Anyway, I thought if would be an interesting read.

It was “The Rossi Report” and I had forgotten that I signed off with “From under my Yankees cap”. That didn’t last long, just long enough for Vince Fahay and CM to steal my Ric Flair career biography for KM, but that’s a different story.

I used to live-blog the PPVs and some TV on the boards, but that was when there were a lot more posters and the product was better. I honestly got bored when it would be only me and 1 or 2 others commenting, and then I almost completely stopped watching any wrestling live and I didn’t think anyone would want to read it 2 days later. But on OSW those threads could sometimes be a lot of fun. 

Dynamite is the only show I still watch semi-life (usually same night on a delay until I catch up with my DVR, but it’s so great I often don’t catch up because there’s not much to fast forward through). So maybe I can try to do almost-live thoughts of that show next week.

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srossi wrote: Well I skimmed the first couple of points and agreed with them, so I posted the whole thing. Scherer went off the rails a bit towards the end, and I’m not a big fan of his since I’ve started seeing some of his tweets, but I have followed him since the 1wrestling.com days. Anyway, I thought if would be an interesting read.

It was “The Rossi Report” and I had forgotten that I signed off with “From under my Yankees cap”. That didn’t last long, just long enough for Vince Fahay and CM to steal my Ric Flair career biography for KM, but that’s a different story.

I used to live-blog the PPVs and some TV on the boards, but that was when there were a lot more posters and the product was better. I honestly got bored when it would be only me and 1 or 2 others commenting, and then I almost completely stopped watching any wrestling live and I didn’t think anyone would want to read it 2 days later. But on OSW those threads could sometimes be a lot of fun. 

Dynamite is the only show I still watch semi-life (usually same night on a delay until I catch up with my DVR, but it’s so great I often don’t catch up because there’s not much to fast forward through). So maybe I can try to do almost-live thoughts of that show next week.


Yeah I remember back ion the old days and you doing the live blog for PPV's. But yeah there were definitely a lot more posters interested back then and yes I remember them being a lot of fun.

I wonder if 'Heretic' still lurks around here. I know there was some controversy when he quit posting. Usually 'Big J' was always good for a couple posts here every year, but he has disappeared along with his friend 'Amerorig'.I miss the Culver Clan and my heart still yearns for Tornado\Hitman. LMFAO. What a rig he was.
But as far as 'Dynamite', I do hope they can fly under the radar and continue to do shows like they did last night for the foreseeable future. If not then they will come up with something clever I am sure.

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Ratings from Wednesday night:

AEW: 932,000

NXT: 542,000



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Heenan Fan wrote: Ratings from Wednesday night:

AEW: 932,000

NXT: 542,000

Interesting, so it's the same people million and a half watching again this week.

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