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 Posted: Sun Nov 3rd, 2019 08:45 pm
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I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be shitting yourselves too.

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srossi wrote: I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be crapping yourselves too.

100% agreed.  Some folks underestimate how much they don't care about other people's lives.  Some websites are reporting a discrepancy of more than $300 million in this situation.  People die all the time for a heck of a lot less money than that all over the place.  I'm sure Vince was less than respectful with that kind of money missing.



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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be crapping yourselves too.

100% agreed.  Some folks underestimate how much they don't care about other people's lives.  Some websites are reporting a discrepancy of more than $300 million in this situation.  People die all the time for a heck of a lot less money than that all over the place.  I'm sure Vince was less than respectful with that kind of money missing.





It's not out with the realms of possibility that an unhappy Saudi government could cause a plane to mysteriously crash. Easy for us to say the chance is very small, but when you're sitting on the plane, you might not be so confident

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Brad Shepherd reports:

I spoke to a source in #WWE about Hugo Savinovich’s report on the WWE/Saudi Arabia travel incident. Hugo reported a dispute over money owed – allegedly in the range of $300-$500 million – led to Vince McMahon turning off the live TV feed to WWE Crown Jewel in Saudi Arabia, which led to them holding up the talent and crew.

A lot of his report confirmed my original report, such as Saudi Arabia owing WWE money. I was once again told the amount is in the ballpark of seven figures, not close to the $300-$500 that Hugo reported.

The entire upside of the 10-year-deal between WWE and Saudi Arabia is in the range of what Hugo alleged was owed, so that may have been a miscommunication – I’m not sure. I’m told Vince DID have the live feed turned off because of money owed…

So that piece from Hugo is correct. I was also told that every show they come up short on money owed by about a couple of million, and they provide the excuse of it being a “departmental issue” and they promise to send the money within a short time frame later – but never do.

So, there’s a belief within WWE that they are either getting screwed on the deal with Saudi Arabia or something else is going on – which I won’t speculate. I once again asked if women’s wrestling had anything to do with this and was once again told yes, partly.

Essentially, there are people in Saudi Arabia in leadership or influential positions who are resistant to change. This isn’t just about WWE and Saudi Arabia, it was an international incident involving US citizens and Saudi Arabia with potential geopolitical consequences.

Considering the carefully messaged responses, the hundreds of millions of dollars at stake for a publicly traded company, and potential geopolitical consequences (especially with the current Middle Eastern climate), don’t expect the complete truth anytime soon from either party.”



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Meltzer, taking like a 13-year old girl, had this to say:


“I’ve had people say they’re never going back. I’ve had people say they can’t wait to get out of the company. I don’t know if that’s going to be, you know, I don’t know in a few months if they’re going to change their minds if something’s going to happen at RAW when all of the RAW talent is there and there’s going to be a thing that someone says to management about what has happened.

I know that obviously they’re trying to get the talent to go on and say that it was a mechanical failure. You know, whatever. It’s like there’s so many things that happened, but they were definitely not paid as of September 30th.

I heard that from many different people [that Vince McMahon deserted them]. The feeling was that because there was those problems that happened, you know in whatever it was — the ‘d*ck waving contest’ was the term that was used.
I had heard from one person who used that exact terminology to me that ‘we were pawns in a d*ck waving contest,’ but the whole thing is that it happened and so Vince shouldn’t have left because there could have been reprisals and they believe that those were the reprisals and that Vince left and left them there and then when he sent whatever — when he sent to get guys out it was only the top guys that were booked on television, not anyone else.”

Curtis Axel tweeted the following:

Not the #Top20?I’m #1 at home! We don’t leave each other behind. @WWE

Luke Harper, already wanting out, tweeted:

Larry, I'm home. I guess I didn't want it enough to pay for my own charter, but I'm home now. #NotTop20

Top 20 refers to the 20 talents who got out of there on a private charter.

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I'm pretty sure that is transcript of what Meltzer said on his site in conversation with Alvarez, not something he wrote. It's a beautiful transcript. Some people are saying it's perfect.

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Kriss wrote: I'm pretty sure that is transcript of what Meltzer said on his site in conversation with Alvarez, not something he wrote. It's a beautiful transcript. Some people are saying it's perfect.
It's definitely a transcript.  I didn't mean to suggest that he wrote like that.  The spelling is too good. 



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carpetbeggar wrote: And fuck Rusev and the other wrestlers that were stuck there tweeting and messaging people to pray for them and that they were fearing for their lives. Fucking bunch of sheltered babies. Yes I'm sure the Saudi military was going to march a bunch of "sports entertainers" off a plane and be-head them right there on the tarmac. Just because Vince fucking McMahon pissed them off.lol
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This is the same regime that murdered  then chopped up and disposed of the body of a journalist with international renown. They also still crucify people as a means of execution. You really don't know what they're capable of; roll your eyes if you wish but if I were stuck in Saudi Arabia under similar circumstances then I'd be concerned over my well being.

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If the premise is correct that the WWE was upset over not getting paid and then got paid in a contentious situation with the Saudis that also involved the feed of the show being shown on what has been termed as a delay of less than an hour, but not off the air altogether, I don't see this as a hostage situation or some political crisis at all. I fully realize that agents of the Saudi government killed Jamal Khashoggi on foreign soil and that taking someone out on home ground, which has undoubtedly happened, would be even easier, but let's separate that situation from this one. Khashoggi was an internationally known and acclaimed journalist who was a Saudi citizen and dissident who was highly critical of his country's government and specifically of Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman. He was seen as an enemy of and threat to the state.

When dealing with a totalitarian government, politics can’t be complete divorced from any situation, but this seems to be a business dispute at its core. The WWE wanted the money owed to it to be paid as promised and the agency of the Saudi government with which the WWE dealt was, for whatever reason, reluctant to pay or at least slow to pay. It led to some sort of blowout and it seems that people on the Saudi side felt insulted by the WWE for turning up the heat to get paid and/or perhaps felt pressure from within their own government over the relationship and expenditure, or perhaps the timing of the expenditure.

So what happened with the plane? I think the biggest problem was the WWE personnel whose plane was delayed were unaware of the politics of this specific dispute and not provided any information as it unfolded, which made a bad situation even worse. In the absence of information, rumor and speculation fueled by a natural need to attribute the situation to something and often simply by fear then step up to fill the void. It caused people to assume things might be happening that actually were not and weren't even under consideration. Were the WWE personnel going to be held indefinitely in Saudi Arabia or even have their lives jeopardized or terminated? No, that was a highly unlikely outcome to the situation or a reason for what happened.

Looking at things, I believe the Saudis the WWE dealt with were angry and embarrassed over being pressured to pay up and having the feed delayed. In a need to get a receipt of sorts, they delayed the plane to mess with the live Smackdown shoot. Keeping the crew in Saudi Arabia long enough that the plane could not possibly make it to the States in time would put the WWE in its own scenario of embarrassment and organizational chaos. In the end, the WWE brought in the NXT crew and combined them with those who didn't go like Daniel Bryan and Miz to put on a decent show. All in all, WWE personnel got inconvenienced over a business dispute. I don't blame them for being upset, for not wanting to have gone in the first place, and not wanting to go back, but I see a lot of the hysteria that has gone on since the end of last week as overblown.

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During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     

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Karl Anderson had a tweet of his own over the weekend saying something like you couldn't pay him to go back, but then saying he wanted to install a new swimming pool, so yes you could. He definitely laughed the whole thing off.

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srossi wrote: During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     That is interesting.  The same exact thing happened to me on a flight from Calgary to Chicago in 2006.  It wasn't a refueling issue but some light was lit on the pilots board that should not have been.   We boarded at 11 am and at 6 pm were finally informed that the pilots were no longer allowed to fly.  They quickly got us through immigration again and provided vouchers for a hotel.  I was booked for a flight the next morning.  I called a client, went into town and got shit faced.   The flights home the next day (this one connected through Denver) were awful. 

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tamalie wrote: Karl Anderson had a tweet of his own over the weekend saying something like you couldn't pay him to go back, but then saying he wanted to install a new swimming pool, so yes you could. He definitely laughed the whole thing off.
His wife wasn't laughing when she said he was held hostage and told him not to go.



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I have no doubt that she was extremely upset, but I also have no doubt that the lack of information and communication sent her mind and emotions to scenarios that didn't necessarily match up with what actually happened.

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Ultimark wrote: srossi wrote: During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     That is interesting.  The same exact thing happened to me on a flight from Calgary to Chicago in 2006.  It wasn't a refueling issue but some light was lit on the pilots board that should not have been.   We boarded at 11 am and at 6 pm were finally informed that the pilots were no longer allowed to fly.  They quickly got us through immigration again and provided vouchers for a hotel.  I was booked for a flight the next morning.  I called a client, went into town and got shit faced.   The flights home the next day (this one connected through Denver) were awful. 

AJ Styles thinks the Earth is flat. I wouldn't look to him to find out what's what in any situation.

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