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 Posted: Thu Mar 12th, 2020 04:01 pm
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Is Tampa still having its big St. Patrick's Day celebration on Saturday? As of a few days ago, it was still happening, but that was before the mass cancellations of various public events. If that happens, Mania would likely be a go at least for the time being. If it's called off, I can't see how Mania happens on schedule.

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tamalie wrote: Is Tampa still having its big St. Patrick's Day celebration on Saturday? As of a few days ago, it was still happening, but that was before the mass cancellations of various public events. If that happens, Mania would likely be a go at least for the time being. If it's called off, I can't see how Mania happens on schedule.
This is one of the events no doubt being discussed right now.  The noon meeting isn't just about WM, it's about all events likely to draw massive crowds in Tampa.



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The Hillsborough County, Florida Government held a briefing this afternoon at the Hillsborough Counrty Public Safety Operations Complex to discuss the local response to the coronavirus outbreak and major events slated for the Tampa area, including Wrestlemania 36.

In regard to Wrestlemania, Hillsbough County official, Lesley "Les" Miller, Jr. stated that WWE held their own press conference at 1:30 PM and that he was not aware of what WWE's announcement and messaging was coming from that conference.

UPDATE 2:18 PM - PWInsider.com has reached out to WWE and was told by a spokesperson that that Miller spoke in error and that there was no WWE press conference this afternoon.

Mayor Castor and the other officials later stated that they have several weeks until Wrestlemania and do not need to make a decision at this time. They stated that if WWE does not make a decision on their own, they will reconvene next week.



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bpickering wrote: The Hillsborough County, Florida Government held a briefing this afternoon at the Hillsborough Counrty Public Safety Operations Complex to discuss the local response to the coronavirus outbreak and major events slated for the Tampa area, including Wrestlemania 36.

In regard to Wrestlemania, Hillsbough County official, Lesley "Les" Miller, Jr. stated that WWE held their own press conference at 1:30 PM and that he was not aware of what WWE's announcement and messaging was coming from that conference.

UPDATE 2:18 PM - PWInsider.com has reached out to WWE and was told by a spokesperson that that Miller spoke in error and that there was no WWE press conference this afternoon.

Mayor Castor and the other officials later stated that they have several weeks until Wrestlemania and do not need to make a decision at this time. They stated that if WWE does not make a decision on their own, they will reconvene next week.

This is just reprehensible messaging.  They're leaving it up to WWE but they're not, and they still have lots of time even though people are traveling from all over the world to try to get there and need to know what's going on.  Every single government official in Florida should be removed from office.



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It was widely expected that WWE and/or the government in Tampa, FL would make an announcement today regarding whether WrestleMania will take place a little over three weeks from now. There was even a press conference where the subject was broached, and botched. Badly in fact. It was announced by Hillsbough County official, Lesley "Les" Miller, Jr. that WWE had held a press conference earlier in the day concerning their biggest event of the year.

Of course, that was not the case. So, at the end of their press conference, they said there was still time to decide the event’s fate and if no decision has been made by next week, they will address the subject again.

Folks, this is just a different form of stupid. It really is.

No matter how you feel about COVID-19 and its spread in the US, the fact of the matter is there are now so many reasons that WWE should just go ahead and cancel the show. Each day that they don’t, they look more and more out of touch as to what is going on in the world today. Consider this.

*Last night, the NBA suspended their season after Utah Jazz center, and world class moron, Rudy Gobert tested positive for the disease. For those unfamiliar, Gobert had recently been mocking the disease, to the point where after an interview session he touched all of the reporter’s microphones, spreading the disease that karma had already given him and he didn’t know he had (and clearly didn’t take seriously). He also gave the disease to his teammate, star guard Donovan Mitchell.

*The NHL followed suit today and did the same thing. Major League Baseball suspended operations and the start of their season today. Many college programs have suspended their season ending tournaments. The NCAA college basketball tournament has announced it will play its games in front of no fans and even with that, powerhouse programs Duke and Kansas said not interested and suspended their seasons. Broadway is canceling shows. Big conferences are canceling planned events (hurting my city big time in the process). More and more schools and companies are telling people to stay home and do you work there. I could go on.

*In addition to that, more and more local jurisdictions are limiting the amount of people that can gather together in a single place in an attempt to limit the spread of the disease. They realize that the only way to stop the spread of the disease, however long that takes, is to separate people from each other as much as possible. It’s the responsible thing to do, and no matter how we may feel as a fan at this point in time, WWE has to take notice what is going on in our country right now. Instead, they are tone deaf.

*Plus, President Trump eliminated air travel from many European countries yesterday. At least some fans can’t even come to the show. It’s possible at some point air travel in the US could be impacted as well. WWE very well may be holding on to holding an event that, if it doesn’t get canceled, certainly won’t be fully attended. And for what?

Well, as much as we know the Vince McMahon mentality of “The Show Must Go On”, which he made crystal clear by continuing the Over The Edge PPV in 1999 when Owen Hart died in front of the crowd and yet he continued the PPV, the answer to the question of “for what” is probably money. Insurance money. It could well be that if WWE cancels, they don’t get paid. If the show is canceled by the city of Tampa, then they do.

If that is the case then make a deal with the city of Tampa to bring the show back in June, or whenever you can do it. Maybe it’s November this year. Whatever, just make the deal. The Governor of Florida is already saying he doesn’t want large gatherings in the state, but it’s out of his control. But this situation will not get better in three weeks. If you look at the arc in the countries that have preceded us with this virus, we probably have at least six weeks until we start going on the downward side of the curve. And that’s if we get lucky.

I get that there is a lot of money at stake. As I said, I live in Las Vegas and I have watched my own wealth take a huge hit over the last few weeks but guess what? No matter what WWE does, they are going to take a big hit. Their stock is down under $34 as I write this, down over 13% today alone. Long gone is the $100 price point that they had at one time. There is no quick or easy fix here for WWE. Like your average investor, they are taking a hit as well.

But, they could win the war of perception. With all of the sporting events going dark, WWE has a golden opportunity to get eyeballs on their product. Even if they have to relocate their TV to the Performance Center, which may be a very real possibility, they will still be able to provide seven hours of sports-like TV a week for viewers who have very few other choices.

Will those people want to support a company that couldn’t get out of its own way and move WrestleMania, clearly not thinking about the safety of its fans over their own bottom line? Why take the chance? Even if the show does take place, it will now be in front of a far less than full stadium anyway, making your signature event look second rate. Do the right thing and postpone WrestleMania WWE and do it now, while it’s your decision and it’s not forced on you.



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Basically WWE want someone to cancel the event for them, but the city wants WWE to cancel it themselves. Just dicking around to try to save face. Just issue a joint statement and move forward.



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Dave Scherer typing 10,000 words about something that a monkey could look up on CNN.com in about 15 seconds.



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Kriss wrote: Basically WWE want someone to cancel the event for them, but the city wants WWE to cancel it themselves. Just dicking around to try to save face. Just issue a joint statement and move forward.
California closed Disneyland, but Florida (so far) is keeping Disney World open. I think Florida just might be full of retards. Not that I’m saying that the panic is entirely justified, but they’re the one state that can’t seem to make a coherent decision.  



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WWE has finally released a statement, but they don’t say much:

“While we remain committed to hosting WrestleMania at Raymond James Stadium on Sunday, April 5, we are putting contingency plans in place in the event that it is cancelled by government officials, civil authorities and/or local venues. The health and safety of our fans, performers and employees are our top priorities and we are monitoring the situation closely with our partners and government officials in Tampa Bay.”

However their legally mandated statement to stockholders was a bit more grim:

“The potential impact of COVID-19, and corresponding changes in the way WWE operates, may adversely impact the Company’s business including, but not limited to, its live event ticket sales and the sale of merchandise at those events. It should be noted that the Company may be directed to cancel, postpone or relocate certain upcoming events and the number of these changes is unknown at this time. The Company is currently unable to quantify the potential financial impact of COVID-19, but the financial impact to the Company may be material. Accordingly, the Company is withdrawing its previously announced first quarter and full year 2020 guidance due to the increased uncertainty of the financial impact of COVID-19 to the Company.”

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I know it's a Vince vs. Florida pissing match to try and make someone else besides themselves cancel the event, but part of me wonders if Vince is greedy enough to know he'd be literally the only game on anywhere and the smell of the money and ratings/coverage is too much for him to resist.

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khawk wrote: I know it's a Vince vs. Florida pissing match to try and make someone else besides themselves cancel the event, but part of me wonders if Vince is greedy enough to know he'd be literally the only game on anywhere and the smell of the money and ratings/coverage is too much for him to resist.
At the end of the day, Florida isn't going to let this event happen, so I don't understand what's happening here.  Every other city is basically making a call, but Tampa is like, "Well we want WWE to make the call, and if they don't make the right one then we'll have another meeting."  That is asinine. 

As far as being the only game in town, it doesn't matter.  The tickets are already bought and paid for and whoever wants to see it for free on WWE Network (with a new subscription) can.  In your scenario the best he can hope for is that ESPN says "fuck it" and just devotes an hour to covering WM because they have nothing else to talk about.

 That said, Vince's attitude is "the show must go on" and even if it wasn't for the massive amount of money at stake here, I truly believe this is killing him.   I'd think he'd rather lose money and go on with the show than make money and cancel.  It's just his personality.  And Tampa wanting him to be the one to say it is rubbing salt in the wounds. 

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srossi wrote: khawk wrote: I know it's a Vince vs. Florida pissing match to try and make someone else besides themselves cancel the event, but part of me wonders if Vince is greedy enough to know he'd be literally the only game on anywhere and the smell of the money and ratings/coverage is too much for him to resist.
At the end of the day, Florida isn't going to let this event happen, so I don't understand what's happening here.  Every other city is basically making a call, but Tampa is like, "Well we want WWE to make the call, and if they don't make the right one then we'll have another meeting."  That is asinine. 

It is where the loss lies. If the thing doesn't go ahead, then WWE needs to refund the tickets.  If WWE cancels it unilaterally, then insurance will not cover it.  If the state cancels it, then the contract between WWE and the ticketbuyers is not merely voided, it is impossible by reason of law.  So insurance will cover that.



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kargol wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: I know it's a Vince vs. Florida pissing match to try and make someone else besides themselves cancel the event, but part of me wonders if Vince is greedy enough to know he'd be literally the only game on anywhere and the smell of the money and ratings/coverage is too much for him to resist.
At the end of the day, Florida isn't going to let this event happen, so I don't understand what's happening here.  Every other city is basically making a call, but Tampa is like, "Well we want WWE to make the call, and if they don't make the right one then we'll have another meeting."  That is asinine. 

It is where the loss lies. If the thing doesn't go ahead, then WWE needs to refund the tickets.  If WWE cancels it unilaterally, then insurance will not cover it.  If the state cancels it, then the contract between WWE and the ticketbuyers is not merely voided, it is impossible by reason of law.  So insurance will cover that.

Certainly there are huge insurance issues with every other event and tour that is being cancelled, some bigger than WM.  And yet everyone else has found a way to make a timely decision.  What really irks me is Tampa's statement that there's still plenty of time, as if travelers can just decide that morning if they want to go or not.



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