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 Posted: Thu Feb 20th, 2020 03:19 am
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I’m halfway through this show and have to say that it’s much better than history says it was.  Even PWI was shitting all over it back in the day.
Apter and Napolitano are getting more screen time than any of the workers though.



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If you are only halfway through the show, you haven't seen the main event yet. I know you have to suspend a lot of disbelief to enjoy wrestling, but a steel cage battle royal just makes zero sense on any level. That show was always going to live and die by the main event, no matter how good the undercard was.

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I thought the top 2 matches sucked; you knew Hawk wasn’t beating flair for the title and like Kriss said the battle royal made zero sense.



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It was literally the beginning of the end for JCP in my opinion. They never recovered from a financial standpoint after the Starrcade 87 and Bunkhouse Stampede PPV debacles.



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The best thing about that show is Larry's celebration when he won the Western States Heritage title.



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As a kid I always thought the bunkhouse stampede concept seemed badass. It took me years to track down a full version of this show, and it wasn’t even so much a bad match as it was disappointing. The match wasn’t lacking for star power at least, I’ll give it that.



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Have never seen the show until the last couple of nights. My biggest memory is PWI shitting on it because the start time printed on the tickets was different than the actual bell time of the show.

Nikita vs. Bobby Eaton for the tv title was pretty good, although again you knew Eaton wasn’t winning. The ending with time running out while the face champion tried to pin the heel contender made little sense though.

Larry vs. Windham for the Western States title was good. Told a story about Larry working over Windham’s knee. Baby Doll looks like she dropped about 40 lbs here and is actually looking hot.

Production wise, the show looks good. The Nassau Coliseum looks packed on tv, and the crowd is into it. Again, not sure how it looked live, but running this in the same arena as WWF did with SNME and WM2 is huge.

Dick Kroll is a ref. I’m assuming that’s a commission thing. Kinda funny seeing long time WWF refs working with the NWA guys.

Ok, gotta disagree with you. You knew Hawk wasn’t winning, but this was a good match. A couple of false finishes with Flair. They had good chemistry. Watching this in a vacuum maybe hurts the context, but Hawk/Flair is a good match.

I got halfway through the main event before I threw in the towel last night. I’ll finish it tonight. With 20 minutes left, nobody had been eliminated yet. It’s reminiscent of a War Games match. Everyone is juicing. Fun spot where Dusty takes of his weightlifter’s belt and starts whipping everyone. Maybe this match loses all sense of emotion when people are eliminated, but so far it’s a fun watch.

I get that it makes no sense on any level to eliminate someone over the top of the cage. I never understood the concept of those Turkey battle royals I read about the WWF doing in 1984 either.

But all in all, this isn’t that bad of a show.



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The turkey battleroyal was at least a plausible concept. First guy OUT of the cage wins, the last guy left was declared "Turkey of the Year". So the battle is everyone trying to escape, which is more in line with the "Escape the Cage" concept of the WWF cage matches of the time.

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My issue with the Hawk v Flair match is that in an era when PPV’s / closed circuit’s are few and far between why burn a world title match on Hawk? I know the bunkhouse match is the main event but is Hawk really the best contender available?



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The Bunkhouse Stampede was a Dusty idea. I think we won every single one that was held on a house show between 85 and 88, but as soon as it was shown on tv, that was the end of the gimmick. Maybe it didn't look so ridiculous to a live audience. But on tv, you just think to yourself that no one will ever be eliminated unless they climb up to the top themselves first. You could knock them unconscious I guess, but good luck trying to get Dusty or Warlord's dead weight over the top of the cage.



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The show lasted less than two hours and had four matches. I was used to two hour and 30 minute plus WWF shows with double the matches. The cage battle royal was good in concept, but wasn't as good as any fan who dreamed of such a thing expected. Flair vs. Hawk had its moments but no fan thought Hawk would win the belt. Nikita vs. Eaton was very boring and should have gone at least half as long, and no one though Eaton had a chance to win. Windham vs. Zbyszko wasn't anything special. The card was a dud at the gate and its quality killed the town. After April of 1988, JCP left New York and didn't come back until after becoming WCW and making an ultimately failed run at the Meadowlands. This card deserved the abuse it received even from the Apter Mags which normally sang the praises of whatever JCP did.

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Franchise wrote: My issue with the Hawk v Flair match is that in an era when PPV’s / closed circuit’s are few and far between why burn a world title match on Hawk? I know the bunkhouse match is the main event but is Hawk really the best contender available?

My guess is JCP didn't want to put Flair against an opponent it wanted fans to pay to see at the house shows. Michael Hayes and Sting were getting those shots in late 1987 and early 1988 with Sting's shots being somewhat Stalinized from history once his feud with Flair started shortly after this show. The WWF did this often with its PPVs in this rough era. As an example look at the Summerslam '92 card and then compare its matches to the matches and feuds the WWF pushed at the house shows that summer. Nothing the WWF wanted fans to pay to see at their local arena was on that PPV. 

Circling back, JCP also had little in the way of anyone else for Flair to face. Ron Garvin was buried post Starrcade. They weren't going back to Jimmy Garvin. It was too soon for Luger. They were about to ramp up Sting. Dusty and Nikita were otherwise occupied. Hawk probably seemed like a reasonable throw away challenger although the issue was that Hawk wasn't getting pinned, so once again Flair looked weak by not being able as World Champ to beat half of a tag team.

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tamalie wrote: The cage battle royal was good in concept,

You're going to have to explain that one.



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I still have to watch the last 20 minutes. I am assuming most of the guys got thrown out through the door. I vaugely recall seeing the ending to this maybe on one of the syndie shows back in the day, and I think that Dusty pushed Barbarian over the top to win it, but I might be mixing that up with one of the Bash '87 shows.



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Best part of this show- three separate occasions some dude who looks like Larry Bud Mellman cuts in front of the camera and Jim Ross. Ross looks like he wants to kill someone.



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