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 Posted: Fri Jun 12th, 2020 10:04 pm
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: In April of 84 during Mr. WII's turn on Magnum he starts going by Mr. Wrestling and brings in a protege called Mr. Wrestling II. Who is the new Mr. WII? It looks like it could be Hercules Hernandez.
It is Hercules Hernandez.

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Here is more from my chronological journey through Mid-South Wrestling.

- Ted DiBiase turned heel and was terrific in the role. Upset over the way he lost the North American Title to Bob Roop, Ted has been complaining about being ripped off in a very similar manner to how Bret Hart complained about getting screwed in early 1997 in the build to his heel turn and match with Austin at WM13. Ted had said if didn’t get a North American Title shot or if he got the shot but didn’t win, he’d leave Mid-South. Bill Watts explained on TV that matchmaker Grizzly Smith wasn’t one to bend to ultimatums, but given how Ted lost the title and his importance as a star in the promotion, Ted would get his match. However, by the time the match day arrived, Bob Roop, who was in the process of finishing up here, had lost the title to Junkyard Dog. JYD defended against Ted in what was to have been an all babyface matchup, but Ted loaded up that supposedly protective glove and won the title in a dirty manner from JYD.

- The week after the match, when Ted came to work a squash, Bill Watts on commentary put over that no one was quite sure where Ted’s head was at, leaving the door open for the possibility that Ted was still the same guy and he’d just made a poor decision when he felt his back was against the wall due to his pledge to leave Mid-South and then finding himself against JYD instead of Roop. However, Ted loaded his glove to win the match, the glove now being black instead of grey as before, and it became very clear where he stood. Ted cemented his turn on the mic by declaring that being a nice guy had gotten him screwed and from then on he’d be looking out for himself only.

- Junkyard Dog was the unquestionable top babyface. He won his matches convincingly, was not pinned cleanly when he lost, and was treated like an absolute superstar by the fans. He gave up the Louisiana Title due to winning the North American Title, but then lost the North American Title right away. He and Mr. Olympia remain the Mid-South Tag Team Champions. JYD cut an amazing promo in the aftermath of Ted DiBiase cheating to win the North American Title. JYD very seriously talked about what it was like to have such a close friend turn on him, but that the next time they got in the ring together, JYD would know exactly who he was dealing with and would be ready for whatever Ted threw at him.

- Steve Williams had a few matches on TV as a highly touted rookie. Bill Watts clearly believed this guy would not just be a future star, but would be a flagship wrestler in the promotion. Williams had used up his amateur wrestling eligibility at Oklahoma, but due to taking a redshirt year still had his senior year coming up on the Oklahoma football team. Doc has already departed to prepare for the football season with the Sooners. Williams had some pro potential and played in the USFL for the New Jersey Generals for a season, but would soon be back fulltime.

- Buck Robley is back and is getting a midcard babyface push. Robley isn’t a big favorite of many fans in hindsight and to me seems like a guy you had to experience in the moment in the territory. Many territories back then had at least one older wrestler who wasn’t in tip top shape anymore and who maybe was balding, but who the longtime fans loved and respected as a tough guy and a goofy character who could put the heels in their place. Buck fit that spot and was feuding with Skandor Akbar’s crew.

- Ernie Ladd has vanished from TV and is on the way out. He was in his 40s by this point and his knees were shot. He’d wrestle on and off into early 1985 before finally calling it quits.

- Dick Murdoch continues to be in and out due to his New Japan tours and work in other areas. Based on what Dave Meltzer stated his New Japan pay was at the time, Murdoch was making about $125,000 per year from those tours and that was with his lodging, airfare, and ground transportation taken care of as well as him getting a meal per diem. Whatever he made in the States was on top of that. He’s still over big as a babyface with his ex marine gimmick. Akbar’s crew of One Man Gang and Killer Khan are his biggest enemies, but he and Ted DiBiase had a very good TV match. Akbar was on commentary and even though Ted was a heel, he still derisively called him “DiBusey”.

- Killer Khan held the Louisiana Title briefly. He’d won the belt at a house show tournament after JYD vacated the title due to winning the North American Title. He lost that title to Iron Mike Sharpe with whom he then feuded with over the belt.

- Iron Mike Sharpe at one point seemed to be getting phased down, but then his push ramped up. He feuded with Killer Khan and began using the piledriver as a finishing move, twice using it on Skandor Akbar which really put the Khan feud into overdrive. Sharpe isn’t especially charismatic as a babyface, but he has size, is decent in the ring, and comes off as likeable.

- The Assassin is still around. However, he is getting phased down and per match results will be gone soon. He is not officially part of Akbar’s Army, but regularly teams with and associated with them. He often teamed with The Grappler until recently, but The Grappler has quietly disappeared.

- Mr. Wrestling II came in initially for a couple of guest appearances and now is in the area on a full time basis. It looks like he’s going to feud with Hacksaw Jim Duggan who has returned to stay after previously making a one shot appearance. Duggan is Ted DiBiase’s tag team partner. He has a lot of the goofy mannerisms he’d use later as a babyface but in this case they’re meant to portray him as a heel who is dangerous and a bit unstable. His finisher is a spear, but not in the way that Bill Goldberg and Edge used it. Duggan uses it in a football style by launching himself through the air headfirst at his foe.

- A lot of guys are on the way out or have left. By taking a peek at the results for the next few months to come, new talent is about to come in. I don’t know this for sure, but believe the changeover of talent occurred due to Ernie Ladd leaving the booking spot and Buck Robley taking over.

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Ted Dibiase was awesome. I think Ted could have been NWA Champ. He could play heel and babyface great. Really good talker. Great wrestler. Could he draw as a traveling champion? Don't know for sure but they could have given him a shot if Flair wasn't around.

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One thing to add to the Mid-South recap is they brought Kevin Von Erich in to Shreveport for a TV taping because he was going to do a weekend of matches on the road coming up. This was the summer of 1982. Looking at Kevin then in comparison to how he looked by the summer of 1987, he physically aged a decade or more in that five year gap.

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Spatulapup wrote: Ted Dibiase was awesome. I think Ted could have been NWA Champ. He could play heel and babyface great. Really good talker. Great wrestler. Could he draw as a traveling champion? Don't know for sure but they could have given him a shot if Flair wasn't around.
Well, Teddy wrestled in St. louis a lot and was known nationally from the magazines and from being on WTBS for parts of 1980-1983. He would've had to travel to Charlotte & Florida a few times to get over, but I really wouldn't see that as a problem for him.

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Started the 1984 World Wide set last night.

Man, TV and the house shows are all over the place on this, but it has a fun feel.

Greg Valentine kinda just turned face because Slater and Orton attacked him before a match that was supposed to involve Piper. I think Piper and Valentine both are gone to WWF not long after this. Slater is Mid-Atlantic champ and then defeats Valentine for the US title.

Ricky Steamboat is retiring, so the tag belts are vacant. Here's why it gets kooky. Orton and Slater are teaming on tv, but Orton and Kernoodle will be in the NWA tag tournament. Wahoo and Dory Funk are on tv teaming, but Wahoo and Angelo Mosca will be in the tournament. Ivan Koloff and Kernoodle are teaming on tv, but as mentioned, Kernoodle will team with Orton. They also mention the Von Erichs might come in to be in the tournament.

Angelo Mosca Jr sucks.

It's interesting that around the same time, Piper, Valentine and Orton all went to the WWF, but Vince didn't take Slater (or didn't show interest, or perhaps Slater didn't want to go). Slater looked good in this era though.



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Also, holy shit, the 1984 Mid-Atlantic belt looks worse than the one I made out of cardboard paper and electrical tape when I was in grade school.



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Were the guys in the Badstreet Band anyone famous? They look familiar- but also like every generic hair metal band wannabe.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Were the guys in the Badstreet Band anyone famous? They look familiar- but also like every generic hair metal band wannabe.
Larry Velez and Jimmy Papa. There was a documentary made about the song in 2014, but it doesn't look like it was ever shown after one screening in Dallas.


https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/back-on-badstreet-filmmakers-reflect-on-the-song-that-made-wrestling-rock-7088200


https://www.pwinsider.com/article/87533/badstreet-usa-the-documentary-update-on-wwe-lawsuit-over-badstreet-other-theme-songs.html



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I found a pretty good play list of Southwest Championship. There are about 40 TV episodes and they are a little scattered and range from 79 to 85.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3tBcLGiYu3HYijLwklbiFpfaKFuMJzDV



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? 

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Spatulapup wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? 


Bill and Buddy could be funny at times but I can’t stand Dundee in the ring. 



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Franchise wrote: Spatulapup wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? o


Bill and Buddy could be funny at times but I can’t stand Dundee in the ring. 


Just for the record, I like Les Thatcher when he announces later on, but the guys announcing Southwest in 83 and 84 are tough to take.



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