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The Ultimate Sin wrote: In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.


Son of a Bitch, Mid-Atlantic ran the loser returns as masked man angle with Charlie Brown From Out of Town too.  The Midnight Rider, Stagger Lee, and Charlie Brown were all within a months or two from each other.



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Finished the HOF broadcast from 2012. The Horsemen went in, and it was cool that Flair kinda moved aside and let AA and Tully give really long speeches since that will be their one time getting into the HOF. Edge's induction to end the night was weird. Dude seems like he's really stuck on himself, wasn't sure if that was his gimmick coming out or not.



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Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

Mantaur
Waylon Mercy
Duke the Dumpster Droese

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nyhack56 wrote: Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

Mantaur
Waylon Mercy
Duke the Dumpster Droese

Those were rough times. I’m watching both WWF and WCW and am in September 1995, hold on it gets (slightly) better. I’m really looking forward to 1996, that was my favorite year ever. 



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cookie32723 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

Mantaur
Waylon Mercy
Duke the Dumpster Droese

Those were rough times. I’m watching both WWF and WCW and am in September 1995, hold on it gets (slightly) better. I’m really looking forward to 1996, that was my favorite year ever. 

Yeah i dont remember a lot of this.stuff because I stopped watching wrestling from late 1993 until late 1995.  I remember 1996 very well as I was back into it by then.

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I found "The Hulk Hogan Archive" on YouTube.  It has some things I've never seen:
 
-          Hogan vs. Bob Orton from September 1984
-          Hogan and Hillbilly Jim on Blackjack’s BBQ 1-12-85
-          Hogan LA Promo 3-3-84
 
And of course, some things I haven’t seen in a long time:
-          Hogan vs. Afa 1984
-          Hogan on the Snake Pit 1986
-          Hogan vs. Bill Dixon 1984
 
Lots of other stuff from his heel run and AWA, and local promos too.
 
This channel has 2.47k subscribers, so there is interest in classic stuff despite what we’ve been told by WWE.  Why I can’t find this kind of stuff on the Network that I pay $10 a month for I’ll never understand.




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My trip through Mid-South continues. The last episode I watched aired around the first weekend of May 1982. Here is a look at what was going on.

- JYD and Mr. Olympia were getting a big push as tag team champs. For as big of a push as JYD got, he was treated on TV like one of many stars, not as a Hulk Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Jerry Lawler or Von Erich brothers type who was the superstar above all other stars on TV constantly. I think this changed a bit after DiBiase went heel. The WWE Network episodes also have no house show promos where he really shined as a personality, but you would not watch this show as is and think JYD was on a level above anyone else except for the pop when he came to ringside. JYD oddly was without a program apart from him and Mr. Olympia defending the tag straps against the Samoans. I think they were clearing his plate in preparation for the DiBiase feud.

- Afa and Sika had been managed by Ernie Ladd, but Ladd wound up a babyface when Skandor Akbar stole them away and had One Man Gang injure Ladd. Ladd brought The Assassin in to be his partner for a TV match against The Samoans, having paid The Assassin to be his partner. However, the man in the yellow mask with black trim then walked out on Ladd, explaining he'd accepted a better offer from Akbar to leave Ladd high and dry. Words cannot properly describe how awesome The Assassin was on the mic when explaining to Ladd that he was screwed. Ladd also did a great job of acting totally surprised and upset asking The Assassin why he waited until they were in the ring to wrestle instead of telling him earlier when Ladd could have found a sub. The Assassin replied that he decided to wait until the last second just to add a little flair to the moment and made it clear he was enjoying seeing Ladd in dire straits.

- Ted DiBiase had been North American Champion. He was supposed to defend the title on TV against Paul Orndorff, the #1 contender. Orndorff didn't show at the taping. Bob Roop, as really effective smarmy heel, said that he was ready as #2 contender to take the match. He was put in the spot and won the title after One Man Gang injured DiBiase while the ref was occupied. Orndorff then arrived and was furious that the title match had taken place without him and Roop was the new champ. It turned out Roop had sabotaged Orndorff's car so he'd be late to the taping and Roop could swipe the title shot. Orndorff then became a babyface and the fans took to him immediately. Mr. Wonderful was effective as a good guy or villain.

- Ted DiBiase sold his injuries at the hands of One Man Gang by being ruled out of action which freed him up to go on an All Japan tour. Ted returned and got a televised rematch against Bob Roop, but lost in his bid to regain the North American Title. He seemed very down and frustrated in the aftermath. The announcers said nothing. No effort was made to hammer it home. It was quietly put there for fans to see. He had a look of disgust on his face that normally isn’t displayed by a babyface. Ted’s heel turn was coming very soon and this was the first sign that something was amiss with him.

- The Grappler was back after a long absence and using his loaded boot gimmick. He interfered in a match pitting The Assassin and One Man Gang against Ernie Ladd and Iron Mike Sharpe. He came in wearing his Grappler gear, but with an Assassin mask on instead of his own. He then used the boot after a ref bump to take out either Ladd or Sharpe, I forget which, while the other battled with OMG. The Assassin went to the floor and The Grappler covered the babyface for the pin with the ref groggily counting and then hightailed it out of there. Iron Mike Sharpe was getting a babyface push as a serious and capable wrestler. His entire demeanor was 100% different from his comical prelim role in the WWF. He had Ladd's back when The Assassin bailed on him.

- Killer Karl Kox had started on TV doing a crazy ex marine gimmick around late March or early April after a long absence from what was one of his primary territories. He left after a taping or two with Akbar's crew given the credit for injuring him. I believe Kox, who was around 50 when that was a much older physical and psychological age, decided to retire rather than falling out with Watts as I’d believed previously. In a rather business exposing move from Bill Watts, Dick Murdoch turned up with the gimmick a few weeks later. He'd been in an out of the territory for a while, but was now back to stay and went after Akbar's stable. Andre The Giant came in as a partner. Murdoch always wore a marine jacket and cap to the ring while carrying a duffel bag filled with supplies including a shovel he called “a trenching tool” he used to ward off heels. At one point the bag fell over and a six pack of Miller Lite cans came out in a sight gag the announcers didn’t acknowledge or fake laugh over.

- Kim Duk (Tiger Chung Lee) and Cocoa Samoa were in to join the list of undercard guys who'd lose on TV to bigger stars, but would get wins over lesser wrestlers and would swap wins with one another. Guys like Terry Gibbs, Jesse Barr, and Buddy Landell also were among the undercard guys who were treated as decent wrestlers who'd normally lose on TV, but get wins in stand by matches over one another and guys further down the ladder and were considered threats to pull an upset on a bigger star. 

- Bob Sweetan and Tully Blanchard were heavily pushed in Southwest at this time. Both came to Mid-South for TV and a limited number of house shows in roles that gave them protection from looking like nobodies, but also didn't give them anything like the superstar pushes they got in San Antonio. Perhaps it was a way of supplementing the sometimes meager Southwest payoffs. In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 

- Paul Ellering returned doing his bargain basement imitation of Superstar Billy Graham with the blonde hair, muscular physique, sunglasses, tie dyed gear, and the jive rap during interviews, but with absolutely none of the talent and charisma that made Graham such a huge star. Ellering was unbelievably obnoxious in this role. There was a terrible angle in which some kids got brought out of the audience for Ellering to train them. The kids did laps around the ring's interior, jumping jacks, pushups, and other exercises. This clip went around tape trading circles 20 plus years ago with novelty cash in song Pac-Man Fever playing in the background. That was dubbed out on WWE Network. The idea was Ellering was a hero to the kid fans, but he came off as so unappealing that I can't get how anyone cheered for him beyond reflexively doing so because he was a babyface.

- Harley Race was coming in for some house shows. Since he wasn't coming to Shreveport for TV, they had a tape of an old match sent in to air. Bill Watts threw it to Atlanta for the match and I expected to see something from the WTBS studio. However, what we got instead was Harley vs. Terry Taylor from the Sportatorium in Tampa with a brief inset of Freddie Miller tossing it to Gordon Solie in Tampa. The bout was from a taping on February 18, 1980. Taylor looked really young, but was pretty good for his level of experience.

- Jim Ross was back to do more commentary. I think Bill Watts liked Boyd Pierce and knew the fans loved and respected him as the kindly host, but I think one reason why Bill Watts generally handled commentary was because he didn't think Boyd could get stuff over in just the way he wanted it done. Jim Ross knew how to call wrestling the Bill Watts way and I expect we will see more and more of him. Reiser Bowden still does the ring announcing and some interviews. We had a Joel Watts mention too although he's some time away from joining the on air team.

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tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.

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tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.



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WWE will broadcast content related to March 1987's Wrestlemania III Recall this Tuesday 5/12 at 8 PM EST on FS1.

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Forgot Herc vs Billy Jerk.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.


As 1982 progresses, are there more interviews within the body of the show? The booking is outstanding, there are usually at least one competitive match and angle per show, the wrestlers are mostly really good, and the not so good wrestlers generally serve some sort of redeeming purpose like the very green One Man Gang as a monster. The one thing that would make it perfect is more interviews. I've watched what amounts to 5 months of from late 1981 to May of 1982 and JYD hasn't done an interview yet. Granted, he and everyone else did a ton of talking in the localized house show promos that are missing, so the fan watching in 1982 saw the shows in a different way. However, I am hoping for more mic work to flesh things out a bit.

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tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.


As 1982 progresses, are there more interviews within the body of the show? The booking is outstanding, there are usually at least one competitive match and angle per show, the wrestlers are mostly really good, and the not so good wrestlers generally serve some sort of redeeming purpose like the very green One Man Gang as a monster. The one thing that would make it perfect is more interviews. I've watched what amounts to 5 months of from late 1981 to May of 1982 and JYD hasn't done an interview yet. Granted, he and everyone else did a ton of talking in the localized house show promos that are missing, so the fan watching in 1982 saw the shows in a different way. However, I am hoping for more mic work to flesh things out a bit.


Now that you mention it, there really aren't.  I never thought about it.  I just finished an episode and it had 2 interviews.  They were both extremely important to advance storylines.

I can't stand Watts on commentary.  Sometimes he talking about who painted his plane or some shit, he is always telling the viewer that the crowd is chanting something they are not.  Usually its "two" when Mr. Wrestling II is wrestling.  Today it was "Who Dat. Who Dat. Who Dat say they gonna beat dat Dog" while JYD was wrestling. No one is fucking chanting that.  In fact, no one is chanting at all at the time. They did chant "JYD" later during  the match.
It's awful when Steve Williams is wrestling.  The bullshit he claims about him as a football player isn't even near factual.  He was the number one pick in the USFL or he had very successful season as an individual. If I recall correctly he got cut.  It's bad with Butch Reed and JYD too, but it's over the top with Williams.

His subtle racist remarks come out often with Reed and somewhat with JYD.  It's funny when he catches it and starts ad libbing and trying to explain.  He went on a rant about Russia during a Boris Zurkoff (or Zurkov) match.  Anyone know when or why he dropped the r at some point?  I remember thinking I had been pronouncing wrong the whole time.



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