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My all time favorite event ever and the one that hooked me as a fan. The matches weren’t all that great except for Steamboat-Savage but it was an incredible show if you were a fan at the time. An incredible crowd and a main event that will never be matched again in terms of excitement and intrigue, to me this was what wrestling was all about as a kid and is still and awesome show to me all these years later. 
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Someone on Facebook posted they have the full ring gear worn by Little Beaver from WM3 and showed a screen cap that showed him coming to ringside wearing it. Apparently that was actually Beaver's final bout so taking the Bundy slam and elbow was his curtain call.

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One Fan Gang wrote: Someone on Facebook posted they have the full ring gear worn by Little Beaver from WM3 and showed a screen cap that showed him coming to ringside wearing it. Apparently that was actually Beaver's final bout so taking the Bundy slam and elbow was his curtain call.
His first match was in 1950 so going from that to WMIII is a hell of a run. It’s “only” 37 years, Hulk Hogan’s been around longer now, but the business just seemed like it changed a lot more between 1950-1987, that’s for sure. 



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It's one thing to run a hot shot angle, it's another to perfectly set up a main event over the course of several weeks, as they did for this card.  You wanna talk about the stars aligning, they sure did for WMIII.  

That weekend I'd played in a hockey tournament down in PA.  We got back after lunch on Sunday and two of my teammates came over to my house to watch the PPV.  I've still got the VHS tape I recorded that day.  It was one of those odd March days in these parts where it was 70 degrees and sunny (actually, that's exactly the forecast for today, although we're going to get a few inches of global warming on Thursday).  When they showed that wide angle shot of the full Silverdome from upper deck, our eyes bugged out.  When they cut down to Vince in the ring -- to introduce Aretha Franklin -- we joked that he had dollar signs in his eyes.  



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I've told this story before. My old man and I weren't very close. My favorite memory was him taking me to the WWF house show in Chicago the week before Mania, and then my mom surprised us and ordered two tickets for dad and me for the closed circuit broadcast the next Sunday. It was held at a fancy theater near us, and the place was electric from start to finish. I'll never forget the hush that went over the crowd at the beginning when that graphic opened up and they showed the wide shot of the Silverdome. Nobody knew what to expect or what the set up would look like, so that was just incredible. My dad's reaction was basically, "Holy ___". My dad sat through the whole thing, actually kinda cheered when Steamboat beat Savage. I'll never forget that reaction though. There were people jumpping up and down in the aisles. The roar was deafening between the audio from the broadcast and then the roar inside the theater. People were crying. That's how over the entire angle was, and how important Steamboat was. The main event was just epic. We came home, and there were stories on the national nightly news and the local sports telecasts. A week later, my dad brought home a VHS copy from work (taped on EP speed). A guy at the factory had recorded it off pay per view. I dubbed a copy and ended watching that probably 20 times over the course of the summer that year. It's still the greatest wrestling event I've ever seen. Everything was done perfectly. The buildup went back months, the pacing of the show was excellent, the matches were short and fun, the celebrities were kept to a minimum and actually enhanced the show. I might even pop the dvd in and try to rewatch this tonight.



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Blazer wrote: I've told this story before. My old man and I weren't very close. My favorite memory was him taking me to the WWF house show in Chicago the week before Mania, and then my mom surprised us and ordered two tickets for dad and me for the closed circuit broadcast the next Sunday. It was held at a fancy theater near us, and the place was electric from start to finish. I'll never forget the hush that went over the crowd at the beginning when that graphic opened up and they showed the wide shot of the Silverdome. Nobody knew what to expect or what the set up would look like, so that was just incredible. My dad's reaction was basically, "Holy ___". My dad sat through the whole thing, actually kinda cheered when Steamboat beat Savage. I'll never forget that reaction though. There were people jumpping up and down in the aisles. The roar was deafening between the audio from the broadcast and then the roar inside the theater. People were crying. That's how over the entire angle was, and how important Steamboat was. The main event was just epic. We came home, and there were stories on the national nightly news and the local sports telecasts. A week later, my dad brought home a VHS copy from work (taped on EP speed). A guy at the factory had recorded it off pay per view. I dubbed a copy and ended watching that probably 20 times over the course of the summer that year. It's still the greatest wrestling event I've ever seen. Everything was done perfectly. The buildup went back months, the pacing of the show was excellent, the matches were short and fun, the celebrities were kept to a minimum and actually enhanced the show. I might even pop the dvd in and try to rewatch this tonight.
I remember you telling this story and I love re-reading it each time you tell it. It goes to show that you don’t need 5 star matches up and down the card just as long as you have characters who are over. And I know there have been larger crowds, but the Silverdome that day is still the most impressive crowd I’ve ever seen and still amazes me to this day. 



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How long was the build from Andre tearing off Hogan's cross until Mania III?



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cookie32723 wrote: Blazer wrote: I've told this story before. My old man and I weren't very close. My favorite memory was him taking me to the WWF house show in Chicago the week before Mania, and then my mom surprised us and ordered two tickets for dad and me for the closed circuit broadcast the next Sunday. It was held at a fancy theater near us, and the place was electric from start to finish. I'll never forget the hush that went over the crowd at the beginning when that graphic opened up and they showed the wide shot of the Silverdome. Nobody knew what to expect or what the set up would look like, so that was just incredible. My dad's reaction was basically, "Holy ___". My dad sat through the whole thing, actually kinda cheered when Steamboat beat Savage. I'll never forget that reaction though. There were people jumpping up and down in the aisles. The roar was deafening between the audio from the broadcast and then the roar inside the theater. People were crying. That's how over the entire angle was, and how important Steamboat was. The main event was just epic. We came home, and there were stories on the national nightly news and the local sports telecasts. A week later, my dad brought home a VHS copy from work (taped on EP speed). A guy at the factory had recorded it off pay per view. I dubbed a copy and ended watching that probably 20 times over the course of the summer that year. It's still the greatest wrestling event I've ever seen. Everything was done perfectly. The buildup went back months, the pacing of the show was excellent, the matches were short and fun, the celebrities were kept to a minimum and actually enhanced the show. I might even pop the dvd in and try to rewatch this tonight.
I remember you telling this story and I love re-reading it each time you tell it. It goes to show that you don’t need 5 star matches up and down the card just as long as you have characters who are over. And I know there have been larger crowds, but the Silverdome that day is still the most impressive crowd I’ve ever seen and still amazes me to this day. 

I couldn't agree more, and this really is the essence of the WWF Golden Era that so many just don't get.  Love that story too Blazer.  This is still my favorite PPV ever.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: How long was the build from Andre tearing off Hogan's cross until Mania III?
I'm going by memory on this, but the whole thing played out over five weeks in January of '87.  

Jan 3 was the Year-In-Review recap show for '86.

The first week on Piper's Pit, they gave Hogan a big-ass trophy to celebrate being champ for three years.  Andre came out, kind of unexpectedly, and Hogan gave a bit of a scared look, overplayed it, and Andre said, "three years to be a champion is a LONG time." And then he left, and Piper's like, "OK, that was weird."  Jesse kinda played it up on commentary for the rest of the show, if I recall, talking about Hogan getting a trophy for three years, but Andre got jack shit for 15 years of being undefeated. (Jan 10?)

Next week, Piper's Pit again, they give Andre a trophy for being undefeated for 15 years.  This is obviously done as a "makeup" type of move.  Problem is, the trophy is smaller and looks like shit.  Then Hogan comes out acting like a lunatic, congratulating Andre, but really just came out to hog the spotlight for himself.  Andre says "fuck this shit", and walks out, leaving the trophy there, and Hogan doesn't even realize Andre left.  For the rest of the show, Jesse talks about how they embarrassed Andre. (Jan 17?)

Week 3, Piper's Pit has Jesse Ventura as a guest.  They basically run down what happened over the past two weeks.  Jesse takes the side of Andre, saying, you know, Hogan's acting like an asshole and these guys need to talk.  Jesse says he'll produce Andre next week and asks Piper if he can produce Hogan.  Piper's famous reply, "YOU DAMMMN BETCHA". (Jan 24?)

Week 4, Hogan is on the Pit with Piper.  Andre comes out with Jesse and Bobby Heenan.  Hogan's like "WTF is Heenan doing here?".  Andre tells him he's he for one reason,"to challenge you to world championship match at WM3."  Hogan can't believe what's happening, Heenan says maybe you'll believe this! Cross ripped off, Hogan bleeds. (Jan 31?)

Week 5:  Piper's Pit.  Will Hogan accept the challenge of Andre?  YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.  I think this is the same episode that the Bulldogs lost the belts to the Hart Foundation too.  (Feb 7?)


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it's funny how they portrayed Hogan for how he really is. i remember as a kid hoping Andre would beat him. Same with Orndorff.

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Spatulapup wrote: it's funny how they portrayed Hogan for how he really is. i remember as a kid hoping Andre would beat him. Same with Orndorff.
Same thing with the Orndorff feud.  Orndorff's calling Hogan at the gym, and Hogan can't go pick up the phone because he had "700 pounds on the rack".  LOL.  Clearly during the era of rotary phones, no voicemail or texting, but come on.  Try not to be an asshole. 



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Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: it's funny how they portrayed Hogan for how he really is. i remember as a kid hoping Andre would beat him. Same with Orndorff.
Same thing with the Orndorff feud.  Orndorff's calling Hogan at the gym, and Hogan can't go pick up the phone because he had "700 pounds on the rack".  LOL.  Clearly during the era of rotary phones, no voicemail or texting, but come on.  Try not to be an asshole. 


I was going to say the same thing.  Hogan is clearly the heel in both cases.  The Orndorff one was really bad.



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And then the Royal Rumble when Hogan costs Sid the match by pulling him out from the outside. How did anyone at the top think this would be seen as anything other than a heel move?



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Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: it's funny how they portrayed Hogan for how he really is. i remember as a kid hoping Andre would beat him. Same with Orndorff.
Same thing with the Orndorff feud.  Orndorff's calling Hogan at the gym, and Hogan can't go pick up the phone because he had "700 pounds on the rack".  LOL.  Clearly during the era of rotary phones, no voicemail or texting, but come on.  Try not to be an asshole. 

All the kids at school and I were rooting for Orndorff.  When it came to Andre, we were afraid that he would beat Hogan.  Yes we knew it was fake, but we also knew Andre was far from fake and if he wanted to he could have pushed Hogan around and treated him like a toy.



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Superstar wrote: Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: it's funny how they portrayed Hogan for how he really is. i remember as a kid hoping Andre would beat him. Same with Orndorff.
Same thing with the Orndorff feud.  Orndorff's calling Hogan at the gym, and Hogan can't go pick up the phone because he had "700 pounds on the rack".  LOL.  Clearly during the era of rotary phones, no voicemail or texting, but come on.  Try not to be an asshole. 

All the kids at school and I were rooting for Orndorff.  When it came to Andre, we were afraid that he would beat Hogan.  Yes we knew it was fake, but we also knew Andre was far from fake and if he wanted to he could have pushed Hogan around and treated him like a toy.

That's always been Hogan's narrative too, and being afraid of a "shoot".  The latter was never going to happen and the former, well at that stage of Andre's career he couldn't get off the mat without assistance once he fell, so I don't know how capable he was of throwing Hogan around for real.  He could've sandbagged Hogan on the slam and made him look bad, but I doubt he could do much more in 1987.



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