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I am finally watching some of the free WWE network.  

I did not feel like researching all of this. 

WCW Chi-Town Rumble 

Battle of the Midnight Expresses.

Cornette is managing Eaton & Lane. 

Paul E. is managing Rose & Victory. 

Is this the same Jack Victory that was in GCW in the early 1980’s?  

Wasn’t there a Jack Victory during that time? 

Why is Condrey not participating?  

Why is Paul E.’s version recognized as the original Midnight Express? 



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I am not sure about Jack Victory in GCW.

Condrey had quit beforehand because he didn’t like the way the program was handled by the office. Namely, he thought Jim Crockett was carrying a grudge from him leaving JCP abruptly.

Condrey and Rose teamed as the Midnight Express in SECW in 1981.



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I've heard Corny talk about this, but I'm hazy on a few things.


Dusty was the booker and the Midnight Express vs. Original Midnight Express started. The Originals just showed up on TV from the AWA and attacked the Midnights. They bloodied Jim with Paul E's phone. It was a great angle... and then Dusty got replaced as booker & Jim Herd didn't like the angle (maybe Jim Crockett was the short term booker), and it was deemphasized.


Whomever was in charge didn't like Randy Rose, so the plan was to have a loser of the pinfall leaves town with Rose taking the pin. At some point Condrey said fuck this shit and left. Victory replaced Condrey for the PPV and took the pinfall loss... and Rose had to leave town.



Corny says this pretty much sums up WCW under Herd. Kill the hot angle, and then have the illogical ending of firing the guy who wasn't pinned.



In Tennessee (I think) Condrey, Rose, & Norvell Austin were a faction called The Midnight Express. Condrey & Rose never technically called their team The Midnight Express, but when they reunited many years later in the AWA they used the name. Corny brought them in to WCW to do an Express vs. Express angle.



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Papa Voo wrote:  Is this the same Jack Victory that was in GCW in the early 1980’s?  

Wasn’t there a Jack Victory during that time?

I'm not aware of any other Jack Victory.  This one broke in in Mid-South and wrestled a lot in World Class before returning to Mid-South after it became the UWF.  That was all in the mid-'80s.  I can't recall ever even seeing him do jobs in GCW before that.



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I see October 1984 Mid-South as the earliest Jack Victory matches. I first saw him in World Class the next year as "The New Jersey Heartthrob".

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I've heard Corny talk about this, but I'm hazy on a few things.


Dusty was the booker and the Midnight Express vs. Original Midnight Express started. The Originals just showed up on TV from the AWA and attacked the Midnights. They bloodied Jim with Paul E's phone. It was a great angle... and then Dusty got replaced as booker & Jim Herd didn't like the angle (maybe Jim Crockett was the short term booker), and it was deemphasized.


Whomever was in charge didn't like Randy Rose, so the plan was to have a loser of the pinfall leaves town with Rose taking the pin. At some point Condrey said fuck this shit and left. Victory replaced Condrey for the PPV and took the pinfall loss... and Rose had to leave town.



Corny says this pretty much sums up WCW under Herd. Kill the hot angle, and then have the illogical ending of firing the guy who wasn't pinned.



In Tennessee (I think) Condrey, Rose, & Norvell Austin were a faction called The Midnight Express. Condrey & Rose never technically called their team The Midnight Express, but when they reunited many years later in the AWA they used the name. Corny brought them in to WCW to do an Express vs. Express angle.

Condery/Rose/Austin used the name in Alabama for the Fuller's. 

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I am pretty certain Randy Rose got pinned in the Chi-Town Rumble PPV match, not Jack Victory.

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Jack Victory was one of those turn the channel wrestlers. So boring.

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tamalie wrote: I am pretty certain Randy Rose got pinned in the Chi-Town Rumble PPV match, not Jack Victory.

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Papa Voo wrote: tamalie wrote: I am pretty certain Randy Rose got pinned in the Chi-Town Rumble PPV match, not Jack Victory.

Correct

I'm going off my best recollection of Corny's story that's in my malted hops clogged brain.  There was some lack of logic in the outcome.  Rose did indeed take the pin, but maybe they didn't "make him leave town."



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I think I got it...


The booker (Crockett or Scott) didn't like Condrey & booked it to make him leave town, but he quit, so Rose, who was liked by the booker had to leave even though they didn't plan for him to leave.



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This is probably going to sound too critical of Rose. I don’t know much about his work in his southern days before he showed up with Paul E and Condrey in the AWA. He may have been a perfectly fine worker. His “look”, even in late ‘87 by AWA standards, was dated. Condrey looked pretty washed up too. But it was the AWA, and Verne was trying everything he could. You put these two guys in WCW on a more national stage with guys like Luger, Sting, the Road Warriors, and Windham, and it made them look like fish out of water. It was a hot angle when they attacked Cornette, but that had to be a one and done program.  I don’t know how you keep either guy around without him being a jobber to the stars.

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Dennis said he wasn't contracted to do more than a few shows/PPVs, as backed up by Cornette and Bobby. He said when they were brought in to NWA/WCW, That Dusty was booking and didn't think the feud would do very well. Dennis had already signed with CWF, and that's why he "left" the second time. 
The first time he left in 87, was because he had a few paternity suits against him(which all proved to be false). He owned a horse farm/land in Colorado, so he disappeared  there for a bit.
Plus At the time, Vince wanted to bring the MX into the WWF and the initial plan was for them to come in bring the NWA tag belts, beat up the entire tag team division(heels and faces ).But when they were negotiating with the WWF @ the time, all Bobby and Jimmy kept saying was, that Vince talked about dolls and ice cream bars. Plus, he changed his mind on their yearly salary. They all said(MX), that they met Vince @ a hotel during some random show and that there were 3 brand new Corvettes sitting in the parking lot & that Vince said they were for them if they jumped.
Bobby & Jimmy didn't want to go and changed their minds, as they said they feared Vince would back out of any deals they had. He also never mentioned much outside of the dolls and ice cream bars. When Denny was outvoted to go(he wanted to go, B&J didn't), that was another reason why he took time off. Even Dennis said @ the time of CTR, that he'd heard about the finish and scratched his head. IIRC, Denny went on to win the CWF Title soon after.
Later on, he realized they'd made the right decision not to jump. Bobby & Jimmy used it to get more $$$ from Crockett. No animosity between Denny/Jimmy/Bobby/Stan at all. 
I'm fortunate and lucky to have been told all of this by B/J/D. 

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Blazer wrote: This is probably going to sound too critical of Rose. I don’t know much about his work in his southern days before he showed up with Paul E and Condrey in the AWA. He may have been a perfectly fine worker. His “look”, even in late ‘87 by AWA standards, was dated. Condrey looked pretty washed up too. But it was the AWA, and Verne was trying everything he could. You put these two guys in WCW on a more national stage with guys like Luger, Sting, the Road Warriors, and Windham, and it made them look like fish out of water. It was a hot angle when they attacked Cornette, but that had to be a one and done program.  I don’t know how you keep either guy around without him being a jobber to the stars.
I agree with all of that, although Condrey had a very big reputation and could’ve coasted off of that for a while. He could still work too, and he never had a great look.  His “Loverboy” nickname was ironic to put it mildly.  But Rose just had jobber written all over him by that point, and had never had any success to speak of on a national stage. 



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After the PPV on February 20, 1989, Randy Rose was off TV and the road during March, but wasn’t fired. By the beginning of April, he was back as an undercard guy.

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