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Can anybody clarify the earnings made by wrestlers?  I have heard all the stories about how jobbers in the WWF in the 80's and early 90's were bringing home 6 digits.  This usually came from the once-famous wrestlers who went there and did the jobs or close allies to these people.  I have heard the other side of the story in which people have said that it is true that these wrestlers were paid well, but nowhere near the amounts being claimed by the wrestlers. 

One of the most popular subjects with this debate was our good friend Playboy Buddy Rose.  When he was wrestling in the WWF in the early-mid 80's, how much was this guy pulling in?  How much did he make for his Wrestlemania gig as The Executioner? 

How much was Rose making annually while in Portland?  Estimates are fine.  How would this compare to the money he made in the WWF as a mid-carder and then a jobber? 

I am just trying get some ballpark figures here to see how much these wrestlers were actually making.  I do not know if they were given perks in one area while not receiving the same money in another area.  Maybe like travel expenses and such. 

Can somebody break down the earnings for me?  I would like to focus on the 80's and early 90's.



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Just a guess.

Sam Muchnick paid 8% of the gate to his main event.  Don Owen was known as a good payoff man, so let's make a big assumption and say that Owen used the same figures as Muchnick.  The big arena in Portland held..what?  5000 people?  Tickets were around $10.00 on average (just a stab in the dark there...the PNW folks will know more accurate numbers).

So a sellout gross would bring in $50,000 at the most.  8% to Rose would be $4000 (If Owen paid off the gross-which he didn't).  More realistically, cut that figure by 2/3.  Rose made around $1300 for a sellout in Portland, IF the figures hold true.

What are the odds that Rose would be in every main event and every show would sell out?  Slim. (About the ONLY thing in Rose's world that WAS slim, BTW).  Two big shows a month = $2600 x 12 months = $31,200.

Of course this doesn't count house shows around the circuit.

My guess is WWF paid more (for Rose as a jobber) than what Rose could have made with a year of sell outs at every venue in Portland.

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Some check stubs from Jim Cornette's book:

Mid-South:
April 3-9, 1984: $4300 plus $125 travel allowance ($2000 for Superdome)
April 17-23, 1984: $4545 plus $125 travel allowance

World Class:
May 5, 1985: $1810 ($1150 for Texas Stadium)

Crockett:
March 4-10, 1986: $5240
July 1986: $17,300 for all dates of the Great American Bash tour.
December 2, 1986: $10,205 ($10,045 for the Starrcade where he took the bump off the scaffold)
December 16, 1986: $4445



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Buddy's post leads ME to a question......

Were manager's getting more or less the same pay as the wrestlers? Looks like Jim Cornette was making some good coin there. How about Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Fuji or JJ Dillon? Precious Paul Ellering?

Also reminds me of the excerpt from Dynamite Kids book, where it seemed Capt Lou thought he would be getting the same pay as the Bulldogs

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Some check stubs from Jim Cornette's book:

Mid-South:
April 3-9, 1984: $4300 plus $125 travel allowance ($2000 for Superdome)
April 17-23, 1984: $4545 plus $125 travel allowance


So, if I am reading this correctly, Cornette was making around $120,000.00 annually in Mid-South?



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the squared circle wrote:
Buddy's post leads ME to a question......

Were manager's getting more or less the same pay as the wrestlers? Looks like Jim Cornette was making some good coin there. How about Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Fuji or JJ Dillon? Precious Paul Ellering?


Dillon and Ellering, definitely. Dillon probably was making a bit more because he had an office position in JCP as well. Somebody got peeved because Ellering was making more money than them. I think it was Arn and Tully.

Heenan has mentioned that Gagne and both McMahons paid well.

Cornette has said that he was astounded by how much Watts paid, so I figure he wasn't getting much for Jarrett. Not sure if Hart's salary was similarly low or not.

Cornette World Class figure from one of his shoots: Dec 25 1984 TV taping was $500.

Fritz's payoffs weren't good unless you were working with his boys.

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Papa Voo wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Some check stubs from Jim Cornette's book:

Mid-South:
April 3-9, 1984: $4300 plus $125 travel allowance ($2000 for Superdome)
April 17-23, 1984: $4545 plus $125 travel allowance


So, if I am reading this correctly, Cornette was making around $120,000.00 annually in Mid-South?

I suppose that is contingent upon those receipts being just for Cornette's work alone, and not for both him and the MX.

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Yeah, I think that's Cornette's pay alone.

I know that in the R'nR  shoot, Ricky Morton said that his best year was 1986 in JCP and he pulled in around $150K.


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HarryG wrote: Just a guess.

Sam Muchnick paid 8% of the gate to his main event.  Don Owen was known as a good payoff man, so let's make a big assumption and say that Owen used the same figures as Muchnick.  The big arena in Portland held..what?  5000 people?  Tickets were around $10.00 on average (just a stab in the dark there...the PNW folks will know more accurate numbers).

So a sellout gross would bring in $50,000 at the most.  8% to Rose would be $4000 (If Owen paid off the gross-which he didn't).  More realistically, cut that figure by 2/3.  Rose made around $1300 for a sellout in Portland, IF the figures hold true.

What are the odds that Rose would be in every main event and every show would sell out?  Slim. (About the ONLY thing in Rose's world that WAS slim, BTW).  Two big shows a month = $2600 x 12 months = $31,200.

Of course this doesn't count house shows around the circuit.

My guess is WWF paid more (for Rose as a jobber) than what Rose could have made with a year of sell outs at every venue in Portland.

Anyone with better figures and facts-PLEASE join in.


Portland Sports Arena held closer to about 4,000. That theoretical $10 average ticket price is also high. Back when Rose was at his peak in Portland from about 1977 to 1984, I'd bet that the ringside prices were no higher than $10. Don Owen owned the building in the clear and controlled all the ticketing and concessions, so there weren't many extra hands taking cuts off the gross. I think the Observer's obit of Rose pegged his best earnings in the Portland territory at about $60,000 when the Piper feud was at its hottest. How that number was derived is uncertain, but the spot town circuit was pretty healthy back then with Eugene, Salem, and Seattle all doing well.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Some check stubs from Jim Cornette's book:

Mid-South:
April 3-9, 1984: $4300 plus $125 travel allowance ($2000 for Superdome)
April 17-23, 1984: $4545 plus $125 travel allowance

World Class:
May 5, 1985: $1810 ($1150 for Texas Stadium)

Crockett:
March 4-10, 1986: $5240
July 1986: $17,300 for all dates of the Great American Bash tour.
December 2, 1986: $10,205 ($10,045 for the Starrcade where he took the bump off the scaffold)
December 16, 1986: $4445

sounds like Watts paid just as well as Crockett did. I have a feeling that if Watts liked somebody, he took care of them.



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tamalie wrote: HarryG wrote: Just a guess.

Sam Muchnick paid 8% of the gate to his main event.  Don Owen was known as a good payoff man, so let's make a big assumption and say that Owen used the same figures as Muchnick.  The big arena in Portland held..what?  5000 people?  Tickets were around $10.00 on average (just a stab in the dark there...the PNW folks will know more accurate numbers).

So a sellout gross would bring in $50,000 at the most.  8% to Rose would be $4000 (If Owen paid off the gross-which he didn't).  More realistically, cut that figure by 2/3.  Rose made around $1300 for a sellout in Portland, IF the figures hold true.

What are the odds that Rose would be in every main event and every show would sell out?  Slim. (About the ONLY thing in Rose's world that WAS slim, BTW).  Two big shows a month = $2600 x 12 months = $31,200.

Of course this doesn't count house shows around the circuit.

My guess is WWF paid more (for Rose as a jobber) than what Rose could have made with a year of sell outs at every venue in Portland.

Anyone with better figures and facts-PLEASE join in.


Portland Sports Arena held closer to about 4,000. That theoretical $10 average ticket price is also high. Back when Rose was at his peak in Portland from about 1977 to 1984, I'd bet that the ringside prices were no higher than $10. Don Owen owned the building in the clear and controlled all the ticketing and concessions, so there weren't many extra hands taking cuts off the gross. I think the Observer's obit of Rose pegged his best earnings in the Portland territory at about $60,000 when the Piper feud was at its hottest. How that number was derived is uncertain, but the spot town circuit was pretty healthy back then with Eugene, Salem, and Seattle all doing well.


Okay, this looks like tamalie could be pretty close whith his numbers.  This leaves the question of how much did he make in the WWF?  I want to see the comparisons.  Despite what people say, I do not feel that Rose was regarded as a top tier talent in the WWF.  I think he was a little bit down from that.  That is why I think he is a good example.  Piper and Hogan were reaping big paydays, no doubt.  I want to know about somebody like Rose.  He was not really engaged into any big feuds.  He did get a crack at Backlund.  He got some promos made for him. 

What was his estimated earnings range in the WWF?



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Hammer to Fall wrote:
the squared circle wrote:
Buddy's post leads ME to a question......

Were manager's getting more or less the same pay as the wrestlers? Looks like Jim Cornette was making some good coin there. How about Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Fuji or JJ Dillon? Precious Paul Ellering?


Dillon and Ellering, definitely. Dillon probably was making a bit more because he had an office position in JCP as well. Somebody got peeved because Ellering was making more money than them. I think it was Arn and Tully.

Heenan has mentioned that Gagne and both McMahons paid well.

Cornette has said that he was astounded by how much Watts paid, so I figure he wasn't getting much for Jarrett. Not sure if Hart's salary was similarly low or not.

Cornette World Class figure from one of his shoots: Dec 25 1984 TV taping was $500.

Fritz's payoffs weren't good unless you were working with his boys.


And it wasn't even a TV taping...it was a Reunion Arena show with a $185,000 house.
Someone on KM (may have been Dr. Jeff, so take it at face value) claimed that everyone on the first Texas Stadium show except the Von Erichs, Freebirds and Flair got paid $200.



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Okay, it seems we have hit the usual roadblock in regards to earnings for wrestlers in the WWF during the 1980's.  We have had heard a lot about how mid-card and even low-card wrestlers made alot of money (in terms of wrestling) when they were in the WWF during this period.  But, so far, I have not seen any actual figures.  You can go on almost any wrestling board, and you will hear people claim this wrestler or that wrestler was just happy to be in the WWF, because "they made money than they ever did" in the WWF when comparing their careers to other territories that they had been in.  Although I have heard all these people make these claims, and they usually use a quote from a book or a shoot interview, they never give actual numbers.

One of my thoughts is...how sure are we that these people are telling the truth.  I mean it this way.  If I was an upper tier wrestler in another territory, and I had a chance to be part of the biggest promotion in wrestling, I think I would go for it just for the notoriety maybe not the pay.  I may pursue the chance to go the biggest wrestling in the U.S. despite the amount of pay or how I was actually booked.  Is anybody getting where I am going with this? 

How much of a leap in pay was there for a person going to the WWF to be a mid-carder or even a jobber compared to being top star or in the top tier of a smaller promotion. 

Has anybody seen the earnings of these wrestlers that were in the WWF during that time period?

How much was a guy like SD Jones making back then?  How much did SD get for Wrestlemania I for his match with Bundy?  Buddy Rose said this was a huge payday for him?  Was SD paid around the same amount for his match? 



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