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 Posted: Thu Oct 6th, 2011 06:30 pm
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Tourney postponed until October 17. I'll do the new seeds over the weekend. And you guys are correct. Some guys could be eligible at two positions. For instance, Oscar Robertson. Was he a 1 or a 2? I'll be putting Oscar at point guard and Jerry West at shooting guard. Duncan at power forward.

October 17 is a Monday, I usually do the Tuesday to Friday thing but with 5 positions Monday to Friday makes more sense.



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Just finished the seeds. 5 position brackets of 16 players. Plus players that just missed the cut. You guys know the drill. You can challenge seeds. You can add a new non ranked player but you will have  to get rid of a ranked player to do so.

When the tournament Final Five or greatest team of all time arrives, the player with the most wins gets a bye all the way to the finals. The other players will battle in a Final Four with the winner going against the player win the most wins that received the bye. 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/ for your own research

Point Guards
1 Magic Johnson
2 Oscar Robertson
3 Isiah Thomas
4 John Stockton
5 Jason Kidd
6 Gary Payton
7 Walt Frazier
8 Bob Cousy
9 Steve Nash
10 Kevin Johnson
11 Nate Archibald
12 Mark Price
13 Dennis Johnson
14 Lenny Wilkens
15 Maurice Cheeks
16 Mark Jackson



Shooting Guards
1 Michael Jordan
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Jerry West
4 George Gervin
5 Clyde Drexler
6 Reggie Miller
7 Allan Iverson
8 Pete Maravich
9 Ray Allen
10 Earl Monroe
11 Joe Dumars
12 Sidney Moncrief
13 Hal Greer
14 Vince Carter 
15 Mitch Richmond
16 Dave Bing

Small Forwards
1 Larry Bird
2 Elgin Baylor
3 Julius Erving
4 Rick Barry
5 Dominque Wilkins
6 Scottie Pippen
7 John Havlicek
8 James Worthy
9 Adrian Dantley
10 Paul Pierce
11 Sam Jones 
12 Bobby Jones   
13 Billy Cunningham  
14 Chris Mullin 
15 Alex English
16 Mark Aquirre


Power Forwards
1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Charles Barkley
4 Bob Pettit
5 Kevin Garnett
6 Jerry Lucas
7 Dirk Nowitzki
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Dolph Schayes
10 Kevin McHale
11 Dennis Rodman
12 Chris Webber
13 Larry Nance
14 Connie Hawkins
15 Rasheed Wallace
16 George McGinnis


Centers
1 Wilt Chamberlain
2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3 Bill Russell
4 Hakeem Olajuwon
5 Shaquille O'Neal
6 Moses Malone
7 Patrick Ewing
8 David Robinson
9 Walt Bellamy
10 Bob Lanier
11 Artis Gilmore
12 Willis Reed
13 Wes Unseld
14 George Mikan
15 Dave Cowens
16 Dan Issel

Just missed the cut

Nate Thurmond
Robert Parish
Dave DeBusschere
Tommy Heinsohn
Paul Arizin
Cliff Hagan
KC Jones
Gus Johnson
Bill Bradley   
Gail Goodrich
Bob McAdoo
Calvin Murphy
David Thompson
Jack Sikma
Cliff Robinson
World B Free
Detlef Schremph
Rolando Blackman
Derek Harper
Chauncey Billups
Shawn Kemp
Dikembe Mutumbo
Bill Walton
Alonzo Mourning



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Parish in, Gilmore out
Add Walton to the centers, move Issel to Power Forwards, McGinnis out
Mikan and Cowens are seeded too low; Bellamy and Lanier are too highly seeded.



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Also, Dennis Johnson & Lenny Wilkins should be seeded more highly than Mark Price
Bill Russell should be the #1 or #2 seed along with Wilt; Kareem is #3
Can't decide if Duncan or Malone should be the #1 power forward



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Parish in, Gilmore out
Add Walton to the centers, move Issel to Power Forwards, McGinnis out
Mikan and Cowens are seeded too low; Bellamy and Lanier are too highly seeded.

I'll do all those tomorrow.



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: Also, Dennis Johnson & Lenny Wilkins should be seeded more highly than Mark Price
Bill Russell should be the #1 or #2 seed along with Wilt; Kareem is #3
Can't decide if Duncan or Malone should be the #1 power forward

Tomorrow it will be

1 Wilt
2 Russell
3 Kareem

I'm move up DJ & Lenny.

Duncan or Malone is a bitch isn't it.



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new seeds

Point Guards
1 Magic Johnson
2 Oscar Robertson
3 Isiah Thomas
4 Jason Kidd
5 Gary Payton
6 Walt Frazier
7 John Stockton
8 Bob Cousy
9 Steve Nash
10 Kevin Johnson
11 Nate Archibald
12 Dennis Johnson
13 Lenny Wilkens
14 Mark Price
15 Maurice Cheeks
16 Mark Jackson

Shooting Guards
1 Michael Jordan
2 Kobe Bryant
3 Jerry West
4 Clyde Drexler
5 Reggie Miller
6 George Gervin
7 Allan Iverson
8 Pete Maravich
9 Ray Allen
10 Earl Monroe
11 Joe Dumars
12 Sidney Moncrief
13 Hal Greer
14 Vince Carter
15 Mitch Richmond
16 Dave Bing

Small Forwards
1 Larry Bird
2 Elgin Baylor
3 Julius Erving
4 Rick Barry
5 Dominque Wilkins
6 Scottie Pippen
7 John Havlicek
8 James Worthy
9 Adrian Dantley
10 Paul Pierce
11 Billy Cunningham  
12 Sam Jones 
13 Chris Mullin
14 Bobby Jones  
15 Alex English
16 Mark Aguirre

Power Forwards
1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Charles Barkley
4 Bob Pettit
5 Kevin Garnett
6 Jerry Lucas
7 Dirk Nowitzki
8 Elvin Hayes
9 Dolph Schayes
10 Kevin McHale
11 Dennis Rodman
12 Chris Webber
13 Larry Nance
14 Connie Hawkins
15 Rasheed Wallace
16 Dan Issel

Centers
1 Wilt Chamberlain
2 Bill Russell
3 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4 Hakeem Olajuwon
5 Shaquille O'Neal
6 Moses Malone
7 Patrick Ewing
8 David Robinson
9 George Mikan
10 Willis Reed
11 Wes Unseld
12 Robert Parish
13 Walt Bellamy
14 Bob Lanier
15 Dave Cowens
16 Alonzo Mourning

Edit: Some slight alterations. Billy Cunningham moved up. Bobby Jones moved down. Chris Mullin moved up. Sam Jones moved down. George Gervin moved down. Clyde Drexler moved up. Reggie Miller moved up. John Stockton moved down. Walt Frazier moved up. Gary Payton moved up. Jason Kidd moved up. Mourning replaces Walton.

Last edited on Sat Oct 15th, 2011 03:49 pm by clawmaster



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clawmaster wrote:
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Duncan or Malone is a bitch isn't it.


Malone was better, but never had the supporting cast or the coach.

Stockton is way too high IMO. All he did was hand the ball to Malone and watch him score. His defense was atrocious.



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I could move Stockton down from 4 to 9 and everybody else up a spot. You raise a valid point Sin.



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Re: Malone vs Duncan

Interested in more opinions.



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I would move Kevin Johnson down to around 14 or 15.

Reggie Miller should be in the top 4 in the Shooting Guard category. Maybe switch Gervin with Miller?

Billy Cunningham should be higher on the list, at least above Bobby Jones. Billy C. was a great 2 way player, while Jones was mostly a shutdown Defender. Also Dr. J shouldn't be #3. In the top 6, but not 3. I would move Wilkins into the top 3.

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Bill Walton should be out of the Top 16. Artis Gilmore was a much better Pro then Walton. Walton was good for about 4 years and the rest of the time He was injured or a back-up Center. Gilmore was a starter for basically His whole career. Walton averaged 13.3 pts. and 10.5 Rebs in the NBA.   Gilmore averaged 17.1 pts., and 10.1 Rebs in the NBA. ( I didn't include Gilmore's ABA Stats).



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clawmaster wrote: Re: Malone vs Duncan

Interested in more opinions.

Duncan was/is a winner, Malone wasn't.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: I would move Kevin Johnson down to around 14 or 15.



I agree he should be lower, but I wouldn't move him that low.

freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Bill Walton should be out of the Top 16. Artis Gilmore was a much better Pro then Walton. Walton was good for about 4 years and the rest of the time He was injured or a back-up Center. Gilmore was a starter for basically His whole career. Walton averaged 13.3 pts. and 10.5 Rebs in the NBA.   Gilmore averaged 17.1 pts., and 10.1 Rebs in the NBA. ( I didn't include Gilmore's ABA Stats).

Walton was a 1st ballot HoFer.  Gilmore just got voted in this year after having been retired for nearly 25 years.  That alone speaks volumes to me. If anything, I'd say Walton is ranked too low, but center is a tough field.

I also agree with your Duncan/Malone rationale.  Duncan should remain #1.



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: I would move Kevin Johnson down to around 14 or 15.



I agree he should be lower, but I wouldn't move him that low.

freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Bill Walton should be out of the Top 16. Artis Gilmore was a much better Pro then Walton. Walton was good for about 4 years and the rest of the time He was injured or a back-up Center. Gilmore was a starter for basically His whole career. Walton averaged 13.3 pts. and 10.5 Rebs in the NBA.   Gilmore averaged 17.1 pts., and 10.1 Rebs in the NBA. ( I didn't include Gilmore's ABA Stats).

Walton was a 1st ballot HoFer.  Gilmore just got voted in this year after having been retired for nearly 25 years.  That alone speaks volumes to me. If anything, I'd say Walton is ranked too low, but center is a tough field.

I also agree with your Duncan/Malone rationale.  Duncan should remain #1.

It's not the NBA HOF, it's the Basketball HOF, which means it includes College and International play. If it was just the NBA HOF, Walton would have to buy a ticket to get in.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: I would move Kevin Johnson down to around 14 or 15.



I agree he should be lower, but I wouldn't move him that low.

freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Bill Walton should be out of the Top 16. Artis Gilmore was a much better Pro then Walton. Walton was good for about 4 years and the rest of the time He was injured or a back-up Center. Gilmore was a starter for basically His whole career. Walton averaged 13.3 pts. and 10.5 Rebs in the NBA.   Gilmore averaged 17.1 pts., and 10.1 Rebs in the NBA. ( I didn't include Gilmore's ABA Stats).

Walton was a 1st ballot HoFer.  Gilmore just got voted in this year after having been retired for nearly 25 years.  That alone speaks volumes to me. If anything, I'd say Walton is ranked too low, but center is a tough field.

I also agree with your Duncan/Malone rationale.  Duncan should remain #1.

It's not the NBA HOF, it's the Basketball HOF, which means it includes College and International play. If it was just the NBA HOF, Walton would have to buy a ticket to get in.

What are you talking about?  Walton was named on the NBA's 50 Greatest Players in the list the NBA put out a few years ago.  Artis Gilmore isn't on that list, not even close.



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