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 Posted: Tue Oct 18th, 2011 07:10 pm
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Try to be objective. I understand that people have favorite players or teams, and may dislike certain players. There is no way that Michael Jordan shouldn't ran away with the vote against Dave Bing. I voted for players that I didn't like, and didn't vote for players that I liked. It would be a better Tourney if everyone did the same.

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I pretty much vote for/against players I have a strong opinion on one way or the other. If it's really clsoe I'll let the other experts decide. I'm a big Larry Bird supporter though.

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My all time favorite player is Wilt the Stilt, but if he makes the finals
agaist MJ, I'm voting for MJ.

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Since I only can vote in case of a tie, I do make comments when I think the voters are going with the wrong guy. Only had to comment 3 out of 32 times so far. That's actually not so bad.



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When it's a close call and one guy is running away with it, there's no reason to comment. Hondo vs Pierce being a good example.



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I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.



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stone2k wrote: I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.

My example is the Jordan/Bing match-up. Granted Bing was a great player, but to say that Jordan wasn't the better player is absurd. I'm not a Boston Celtic fan, but if the player that is going against one of Them isn't as good as a Celtic, then I have to vote for the Celtic. I saw the same thing in the Wallace/Malone match-up. No way in Hell is Rasheed Wallace a better player then Karl Malone. To vote for Wallace just because He played for Your favorite team isn't being objective. The point is to vote for the better/best player.

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clawmaster wrote: When it's a close call and one guy is running away with it, there's no reason to comment. Hondo vs Pierce being a good example.

I have a question, is this a vote for each players NBA career, or is it for overall body of work? ( college, ABA)

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
stone2k wrote: I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.

My example is the Jordan/Bing match-up. Granted Bing was a great player, but to say that Jordan wasn't the better player is absurd. I'm not a Boston Celtic fan, but if the player that is going against one of Them isn't as good as a Celtic, then I have to vote for the Celtic. I saw the same thing in the Wallace/Malone match-up. No way in Hell is Rasheed Wallace a better player then Karl Malone. To vote for Wallace just because He played for Your favorite team isn't being objective. The point is to vote for the better/best player.



Which is why I voted for Malone & some of the folks I did so far. No way is Sheed better than Malone. I don't care if they played for my Pistons or not, I'm going by overall impact on the game.

I find it interesting that so many say Jordan is the best ever. There's is no 1 person that is the greatest ever. Magic wad every bit as good, as Jordan,IMO. Plus, Magic & Bird set the stage for Jordan to go higher. He was the student, lets not forget about the teachers who came BEFORE him& taught him.



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Not that what I do should be a guideline for anybody, but I am treating it as body of work.  On that basis, I voted for Connie Hawkins over Kevin Garnett and felt that Kevin McHale and Elvin Hayes was a virtual toss-up.   Some guys like Rick Barry, Dr. J and Billy Cunningham had great years in the ABA and the NBA, but Hawkins in particular probably was at his best in the ABA.



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this is far less subjective than the sitcom tourney where I can't understand how WKRP does so well but its a matter of perferance.  But outside of asking dave Bing himself its hard to find anyone who can argue that Bing was better than Jordan and I HATE MJ, not a fan at all pompos Carolina asshole in my opinion, but won't say that Dave Bing was a better player than him when its gets down to Bird, Magic, West, Jabbar then its more subjective but early rounds MJ should glide thru.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stone2k wrote: I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.

My example is the Jordan/Bing match-up. Granted Bing was a great player, but to say that Jordan wasn't the better player is absurd. I'm not a Boston Celtic fan, but if the player that is going against one of Them isn't as good as a Celtic, then I have to vote for the Celtic. I saw the same thing in the Wallace/Malone match-up. No way in Hell is Rasheed Wallace a better player then Karl Malone. To vote for Wallace just because He played for Your favorite team isn't being objective. The point is to vote for the better/best player.

Why even have a tourney then if we are not allowed to choose the parameters in which we decide to use to cast our votes? If we can't use our personal feelings towards a player in which way we vote, then why even have a tourney, just open up a record book and say the dude that leads the most catagories wins.

I thought the point of these tourneys is to see where members of this board stand on certain things, both good and bad. I think if a player is not 'popular' among the general public, then I believe you really can't call them the best ever, and I will vote against them.



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stone2k wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stone2k wrote: I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.

My example is the Jordan/Bing match-up. Granted Bing was a great player, but to say that Jordan wasn't the better player is absurd. I'm not a Boston Celtic fan, but if the player that is going against one of Them isn't as good as a Celtic, then I have to vote for the Celtic. I saw the same thing in the Wallace/Malone match-up. No way in Hell is Rasheed Wallace a better player then Karl Malone. To vote for Wallace just because He played for Your favorite team isn't being objective. The point is to vote for the better/best player.

Why even have a tourney then if we are not allowed to choose the parameters in which we decide to use to cast our votes? If we can't use our personal feelings towards a player in which way we vote, then why even have a tourney, just open up a record book and say the dude that leads the most catagories wins.

I thought the point of these tourneys is to see where members of this board stand on certain things, both good and bad. I think if a player is not 'popular' among the general public, then I believe you really can't call them the best ever, and I will vote against them.

To Me, the point of these tourneys is to see who the people on this board think is the best player there is/was. It's not a popularity contest, because if that was the case, I would've never voted for Bird, McHale, Cousy, and a few others. I voted for who I thought was the better of the 2 players, not if a certain player played for a rival team, or if He was an Asshole on/off the Court.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stone2k wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stone2k wrote: I think it is well within the voters rights to choose against a player simply since they don't like them... I think to be considered to be "The Greatest", it isn't just what you put on the scoring sheet, but overall impact on the game, which I think also is where what you think of a players personality comes into it . If someone leaves a bad taste in your mouth, can you really consider them the greatest? I can't.

My example is the Jordan/Bing match-up. Granted Bing was a great player, but to say that Jordan wasn't the better player is absurd. I'm not a Boston Celtic fan, but if the player that is going against one of Them isn't as good as a Celtic, then I have to vote for the Celtic. I saw the same thing in the Wallace/Malone match-up. No way in Hell is Rasheed Wallace a better player then Karl Malone. To vote for Wallace just because He played for Your favorite team isn't being objective. The point is to vote for the better/best player.

Why even have a tourney then if we are not allowed to choose the parameters in which we decide to use to cast our votes? If we can't use our personal feelings towards a player in which way we vote, then why even have a tourney, just open up a record book and say the dude that leads the most catagories wins.

I thought the point of these tourneys is to see where members of this board stand on certain things, both good and bad. I think if a player is not 'popular' among the general public, then I believe you really can't call them the best ever, and I will vote against them.

To Me, the point of these tourneys is to see who the people on this board think is the best player there is/was. It's not a popularity contest, because if that was the case, I would've never voted for Bird, McHale, Cousy, and a few others. I voted for who I thought was the better of the 2 players, not if a certain player played for a rival team, or if He was an Asshole on/off the Court.
See, I believe those factors are important in choosing "The Greatest" IMO, and I use those, as well as stats, in my choices... again, otherwise you could just open up a stat book.



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Jordan, for example, has had some issues that distract from him getting my vote, such as his "break" from basketball to try baseball hinders his selection IMO.I still believe that he was going to be banned/suspended for gambling and Stern and he came up with that for the NBA to be able to save face and not have a Pete Rose type of situation on their hands.



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