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Elmer vs. Wanz



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Anyone who votes Elmer has never seen Wanz.    And I suppose that isn't surprising.

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Otto Wanz. He was great IMO.

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BigJ wrote: Anyone who votes Elmer has never seen Wanz.    And I suppose that isn't surprising.

Big J, just to refresh my memory, I just watched a couple youtube clips of Elmer and Wanz.  It's pretty clear that Wanz was a far superior worker than Elmer was.  On a fat quotient level, I daresay they're tied, with perhaps a slight edge going to Elmer (who looked as though he had no muscle mass, whereas Wanz seemed to have some).  So for me, the tiebreaker will be how over each one was.

I remember Elmer being pretty over during his WWF run.  How over was Wanz during his AWA title run?  I recall reading that he wasn't terribly over.  What's your opinion? Were you watching AWA during that time period?



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dogfacedgremlin34 wrote: BigJ wrote: Anyone who votes Elmer has never seen Wanz.    And I suppose that isn't surprising.

Big J, just to refresh my memory, I just watched a couple youtube clips of Elmer and Wanz.  It's pretty clear that Wanz was a far superior worker than Elmer was.  On a fat quotient level, I daresay they're tied, with perhaps a slight edge going to Elmer (who looked as though he had no muscle mass, whereas Wanz seemed to have some).  So for me, the tiebreaker will be how over each one was.

I remember Elmer being pretty over during his WWF run.  How over was Wanz during his AWA title run?  I recall reading that he wasn't terribly over.  What's your opinion? Were you watching AWA during that time period?

Wanz was a surprise AWA champ, to say the least - his win got a massive pop.

That said he wasn't here all that long.  He's legitimately a wrestling god throughout Europe though, especially Germany/Austria.

If the tourney title is as it states, "Best Fat Guy of the 80's" Wanz should kill Elmer.  There flat out was no better worker at his size at the time than Wanz.  MAYBE Blackwell, and Adonis at his largest are close.

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Inoki vs. Wanz - only clip I could find online.  This is from 84.  I'd like to see Elmer try that fucking barrel roll.

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Big J is a longtime Wanz backer. Many other AWA fans feel differently. I voted for Elmer because he was much more entertaining than Wanz. My vote had nothing to do with ring work. Uncle Elmer's wedding. It doesn't get any better than that.



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When Uncle Elmer can start ripping phone books in half I'll vote for him.  Until then it's Otto Wanz.



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BigJ wrote:


Inoki vs. Wanz - only clip I could find online.  This is from 84.  I'd like to see Elmer try that fucking barrel roll.


I know, this is the one I watched.  I defined the suggested criteria (broken down by percentages) for picking a winner in an earlier post:


When choosing a winner, the criteria to consider should be (in order):

1.  The tubbiness factor (45% of total score) 
This is, after all, a tourney to choose the best fat worker.  In this tourney, muscle mass is a BAD thing.  First and foremost, think about the individual in question and ask yourself what you think their height, body weight, and body fat percentage was during the year in question.  The higher the body fat %, the better that individual will do in this category.

2.  Workrate (35% of total score)
This is the direct relationship between perceived or actual obesity to athletic ability.  For instance, if a 400 pounder is doing a Swanton Bomb from the top rope to the floor, that is a VERY HIGH level of obesity to athletic ability.  Same goes if a tubby worker is pulling 60 min. Broadways against Ricky Steamboat, or moves around the ring like somebody 2/3 his/her size.  Simply put, if you saw a match involving one of these overweight individuals and thought, "Just by looking at him/her, I never would've suspected that lard-ass had that type of match in him/her", then they will score high in this category. 

3.  The ability to get over with the crowd (20% of total score)
This is pretty self explanatory.  What good would it be to be a fat worker with a great workrate if that worker isn't over with the crowd?  This variable should definitely be taken into consideration, although it is not quite as important as #'s 1 and 2. 

So how does this breakdown work?

Well, suppose there's something like 10 total points assigned between the two competitors for each category.  I think Elmer was slightly tubbier than Wanz.  I would therefore score category #1 along the lines of 6 to 4 in favor of Elmer.  Then multiply that score by 45%, and it's now 2.7 to 1.8 in favor of Elmer. 

Now, in category #2 (worth 35%), Wanz blows Elmer away.  I'd score this probably 8 to 2 for Wanz.  That's 0.7 for Elmer, and 2.8 points for Wanz.  Going into category 3, Wanz is in the lead 4.6 to 3.4.

So now it's on to cagegory 3 (worth 20%); here's where it gets dicey.  When Elmer was first brought to the WWF, he was over huge.  Even into 1986, he was still over.  Wanz never was that over in the US, although he was over huge in Europe.  Regardless, I have to score this category in favor of Elmer, just because wrestling was so much bigger in the US than in Europe.  That said, I'm inclined to score this 7 to 3 in Elmer's favor, giving Elmer 1.4 points, and Wanz 0.6 points.

The final point total...Wanz 5.2 points, Elmer 4.8.  Wanz ekes out the victory.

Congratulations, Big J.  The numbers don't lie.  I'm changing my vote.     

Last edited on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 07:56 pm by dogfacedgremlin34



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Gatta go with the former AWA World Champion, even if he's supposed to have purchased the title.



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