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 Posted: Mon Jun 4th, 2018 10:44 am
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I may be in the minority but I loved Bockwinkel on commentary in WWF. I was raised on the WWF but we started getting AWA in 1984 and Bockwinkel always seemed like the smartest man in the room and I felt that him on WWF TV doing commentary made the WWF look better just by how he spoke.

The match was what it was - Superstar was very limited in mobility and Reed was bulked up to the point where he was slow as shit. Pre-WWF Reed was really great, and I enjoyed him in Doom when he left the WWF, but in WWF, Reed just plodded along. What I liked about the match was the fact that they showed Superstar enough respect to give him a cage match in the Garden, a place where he meant so much from 1976-1978. But it wasn't a very good cage match and there's no doubt with the trouble he had climbing that Hogan Cage if this was the regular chain link cage he'd have never left the mat.



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I sort of liked the match but I realize it's limitations. Needed blood all over the place and one guy laying on his back at the end, about to be 'carried out'.

Love the Bockwinkle-Monsoon team and don't think I heard it ever again though.

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Superstar wrote: I may be in the minority but I loved Bockwinkel on commentary in WWF. I was raised on the WWF but we started getting AWA in 1984 and Bockwinkel always seemed like the smartest man in the room and I felt that him on WWF TV doing commentary made the WWF look better just by how he spoke.

I've barely heard any Bockwinkel commentary but the little I heard I enjoyed.  I think he would've been great in that role but for whatever reason he never stuck.  Interestingly, I didn't like him as a Commissioner in WCW, but then I didn't like much of what WCW was doing at the time.  He should've been great in that role though, but he didn't actually do much.



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Bockwinkel's gimmick was that he was the most intelligent and articulate wrestler around. But according to Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan actually thought he was dumb as hell.



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DJP wrote: Bockwinkel's gimmick was that he was the most intelligent and articulate wrestler around. But according to Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan actually thought he was dumb as hell.
I've heard first-hand Heenan speak glowingly of Bockwinkel (and his intelligence), so either Tony is making shit up or Heenan told him something in private that he didn't want publicized.  But Heenan wasn't afraid to bash some guys, Bockwinkel just wasn't one of them.

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Superstar wrote: I may be in the minority but I loved Bockwinkel on commentary in WWF. I was raised on the WWF but we started getting AWA in 1984 and Bockwinkel always seemed like the smartest man in the room and I felt that him on WWF TV doing commentary made the WWF look better just by how he spoke.

The match was what it was - Superstar was very limited in mobility and Reed was bulked up to the point where he was slow as shit. Pre-WWF Reed was really great, and I enjoyed him in Doom when he left the WWF, but in WWF, Reed just plodded along. What I liked about the match was the fact that they showed Superstar enough respect to give him a cage match in the Garden, a place where he meant so much from 1976-1978. But it wasn't a very good cage match and there's no doubt with the trouble he had climbing that Hogan Cage if this was the regular chain link cage he'd have never left the mat.

I'm with you 100%.  Hearing Nick with Monsoon was just so...different, that it was hard not to enjoy it.  I think I have their first show together....I believe it was a card in Toronto.  At times, it felt like Monsoon perhaps didn't like him, as I mean come on, how can the external occipital protuberance guy get along with mr. orator, Nick.



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srossi wrote: DJP wrote: Bockwinkel's gimmick was that he was the most intelligent and articulate wrestler around. But according to Tony Schiavone, Bobby Heenan actually thought he was dumb as hell.
I've heard first-hand Heenan speak glowingly of Bockwinkel (and his intelligence), so either Tony is making shit up or Heenan told him something in private that he didn't want publicized.  But Heenan wasn't afraid to bash some guys, Bockwinkel just wasn't one of them.

Tony doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would make shit up. Not saying he couldn't or wouldn't, but he comes across as very honest and straightforward compared to people like Bischoff and Prichard who you can just sense are bullshitting about certain things. He didn't elaborate very much, but he mentioned one occasion where they were on camera and Bockwinkel forgot the name of the PPV. I think Heenan was standing behind them shaking his head or making some kind of mocking gesture. He just said that Bobby though Nick was dumb.

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Mid-South Reed would've been great in the WWF. Bloated to the gills Reed sucked.



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