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the very first episode of NWA World Championship Wrestling in 1986 (1/4/86) features, as far as I can tell, the only appearance of Harley Race in this promotion. Pretty interesting as he plays a big part in the show, appearing in a squash match, interviewed twice and then does commentary and a run-in where he helps injure Magnum TA.  Looks like he was brought in to challenge Magnum for the US belt.

He looks a bit old and slow compared to only one or two years earlier and he never shows up, nor is there any mention of hime, again.  Of course he went to Japan (again) and then to the WWF for his final run.

Anybody have any info as to why he didn't stick around JCP?  He would have been a top guy there, even despite his over-the-hill-by-then ring work...he had the pedigree for sure and he actually would have made a good Bruiser-type face to go up against the Horsemen.

I know he lost a ton of $$ on the Kansas City promotion when Vince raided the territories so I am guessing he had to follow Vince to the WWF and Vince probably paid him quite well and Harley needed the cash.

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retroken wrote: the very first episode of NWA World Championship Wrestling in 1986 (1/4/86) features, as far as I can tell, the only appearance of Harley Race in this promotion. Pretty interesting as he plays a big part in the show, appearing in a squash match, interviewed twice and then does commentary and a run-in where he helps injure Magnum TA.  Looks like he was brought in to challenge Magnum for the US belt.

He looks a bit old and slow compared to only one or two years earlier and he never shows up, nor is there any mention of hime, again.  Of course he went to Japan (again) and then to the WWF for his final run.

Anybody have any info as to why he didn't stick around JCP?  He would have been a top guy there, even despite his over-the-hill-by-then ring work...he had the pedigree for sure and he actually would have made a good Bruiser-type face to go up against the Horsemen.

I know he lost a ton of $$ on the Kansas City promotion when Vince raided the territories so I am guessing he had to follow Vince to the WWF and Vince probably paid him quite well and Harley needed the cash.
beej can you move this to the wrestling bucket?  my mistake

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If I am not mistaken I seem to remember them having a US title match in Charlotte at a house show.



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The Hammer wrote: If I am not mistaken I seem to remember them having a US title match in Charlotte at a house show.

They had a match in Greensboro, NC the same night as the TBS show.

 

JCP @ Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 4, 1986
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Black Bart fought Road Warrior Animal to a double count-out
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Jimmy Valiant
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated the Barbarian
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Tully Blanchard defeated Ron Bass
NWA Tag Team Champion Ricky Morton defeated Dennis Condrey
Road Warrior Hawk defeated Ivan Koloff
NWA TV Championship Tournament Semi-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated Tully Blanchard
Harley Race defeated Magnum TA
NWA TV Championship Tournament Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Wahoo McDaniel
NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest

Thanks to thehistoryofwwe.com for the results.



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The Hammer wrote: The Hammer wrote: If I am not mistaken I seem to remember them having a US title match in Charlotte at a house show.

They had a match in Greensboro, NC the same night as the TBS show.

 

JCP @ Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 4, 1986
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Black Bart fought Road Warrior Animal to a double count-out
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Jimmy Valiant
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated the Barbarian
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Tully Blanchard defeated Ron Bass
NWA Tag Team Champion Ricky Morton defeated Dennis Condrey
Road Warrior Hawk defeated Ivan Koloff
NWA TV Championship Tournament Semi-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated Tully Blanchard
Harley Race defeated Magnum TA
NWA TV Championship Tournament Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Wahoo McDaniel
NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest

Thanks to thehistoryofwwe.com for the results.

Intresting that Race went over since they were really building Magnum at this time.

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The Hammer wrote: The Hammer wrote: If I am not mistaken I seem to remember them having a US title match in Charlotte at a house show.

They had a match in Greensboro, NC the same night as the TBS show.

 

JCP @ Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 4, 1986
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Black Bart fought Road Warrior Animal to a double count-out
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Jimmy Valiant
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated the Barbarian
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Tully Blanchard defeated Ron Bass
NWA Tag Team Champion Ricky Morton defeated Dennis Condrey
Road Warrior Hawk defeated Ivan Koloff
NWA TV Championship Tournament Semi-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated Tully Blanchard
Harley Race defeated Magnum TA
NWA TV Championship Tournament Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Wahoo McDaniel
NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest

Thanks to thehistoryofwwe.com for the results.

the real concern here was why did they have Black Bart go to a Double Count out with oad Warrior Animal, they were making the Road Warriors monsters then that makes no  sense.



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retroken wrote: the very first episode of NWA World Championship Wrestling in 1986 (1/4/86) features, as far as I can tell, the only appearance of Harley Race in this promotion. Pretty interesting as he plays a big part in the show, appearing in a squash match, interviewed twice and then does commentary and a run-in where he helps injure Magnum TA.  Looks like he was brought in to challenge Magnum for the US belt.

He looks a bit old and slow compared to only one or two years earlier and he never shows up, nor is there any mention of hime, again.  Of course he went to Japan (again) and then to the WWF for his final run.

Anybody have any info as to why he didn't stick around JCP?  He would have been a top guy there, even despite his over-the-hill-by-then ring work...he had the pedigree for sure and he actually would have made a good Bruiser-type face to go up against the Horsemen.

I know he lost a ton of $$ on the Kansas City promotion when Vince raided the territories so I am guessing he had to follow Vince to the WWF and Vince probably paid him quite well and Harley needed the cash.

Race wouldn't have made a good face at all. The Bruiser type style babyface wouldn't have worked in the Carolina's, especially with Dusty having the book and the top babyface at the time.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  The Bruiser type style babyface wouldn't have worked in the Carolina's, especially with Dusty having the book and the top babyface at the time.
It worked for Ronnie Garvin.



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I guess Race never really had it in his character (that he played) to go completely face...plus seeing him as allies with Dusty would have been strange

and he was heel to Flair for years so that would have to switch too...-

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The Hammer wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  The Bruiser type style babyface wouldn't have worked in the Carolina's, especially with Dusty having the book and the top babyface at the time.
It worked for Ronnie Garvin.

Dick The Bruiser was alot wilder then Garvin. You really can't compare the Bruiser or Crusher to anybody else. Two different eras.



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The Hammer wrote: The Hammer wrote: If I am not mistaken I seem to remember them having a US title match in Charlotte at a house show.

They had a match in Greensboro, NC the same night as the TBS show.

 

JCP @ Greensboro, NC - Coliseum - January 4, 1986
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Black Bart fought Road Warrior Animal to a double count-out
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Jimmy Valiant
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated the Barbarian
NWA TV Championship Tournament Quarter-Finals: Tully Blanchard defeated Ron Bass
NWA Tag Team Champion Ricky Morton defeated Dennis Condrey
Road Warrior Hawk defeated Ivan Koloff
NWA TV Championship Tournament Semi-Finals: Wahoo McDaniel defeated Tully Blanchard
Harley Race defeated Magnum TA
NWA TV Championship Tournament Finals: Arn Anderson defeated Wahoo McDaniel
NWA National Heavyweight Champion Dusty Rhodes fought NWA World Champion Ric Flair to a no contest

Thanks to thehistoryofwwe.com for the results.

According to Jim Cornette in the Midnight Express and Jim Cornette 25th anniversary scrapbook, the gate for that card was $62,000.

The Midnight Express and Jim Cornette 25th Anniversary Scrapbook is probably the best source to check dates. It does not have complete cards. Just bouts involving Midnight Express members and/or Cornette.



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Harley had a lot of oddball bookings in 1985 and 1986 before going to the WWF. His home base in the Central States was still going, but on life support. The payoffs had to be shrinking out of sight and with the promotion losing money, I don't think Harley could even count on a cut of the gate anymore. St. Louis shut down in the fall of 1985. During those years he made shots or had limited runs in JCP, Memphis, Florida, the AWA, the Pro Wrestling USA cards in New Jersey, and also toured more often with All Japan than I think he had in a long time. He may also have popped into what remained of the WWA in Indiana. He was too old to build around if he went fulltime in another territory and probably didn't want to give up living in Kansas City, so he traded off his name and went where he could on a short term basis. When people get upset about his early WWF matches when no one seemed to care and then when the WWF gave him the King gimmick, they seem to forget that Harley didn't have much of a future elsewhere.

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tamalie wrote: When people get upset about his early WWF matches when no one seemed to care and then when the WWF gave him the King gimmick, they seem to forget that Harley didn't have much of a future elsewhere.

I agree. I was a young fan then who preferred the "southern style" promotions, but I thought the "King" was a good gimmick for him.  I didn't think he'd be interesting in the WWF at all without the right gimmick, and this one was good for him in my eyes.  I also though that is extended his career, as he just did not fit into that era, especially at his age.

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FYI, I recently came across a fan cam of this show. I've updated the website accordingly with what info I could from the fan cam but, sadly, the finish of Race-Magnum was cut out. Race does play to the crowd after the match as though he won, and Magnum is forced backstage by referees.



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