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Jim Crockett Promotions 1985 to 1988  Rating:  Rating
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 Posted: Thu Dec 12th, 2013 04:22 am
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So I got bored and took a little trip. Was playing with spot cities. I will slowly transfer my findings over. Here are 3 more plus the one above. I will add more as I get time to type things over

January 10, 1985 Tarboro, NC
Jeff Sword vs Tommy Lane
Black Bart vs Steve Casey
American Starship vs Gary Royal, Joel Deaton
Ron Bass vs Dick Slater
Tully Blanchard vs Mandy Fernandez

March 7, 1985 Greenville, NC
RPM #2 vs Denny Brown
Starsip Eagle vs Buddy Landell
RPM #1 vs Sam Houston
Ron Bass vs Steve Casey
Ivan Koloff, Nikita Koloff vs Dick Slater, Don Kernodle

July 11, 1985 Kinston, NC
Ron Bass vsKendo Nagasaki
Raging Bull vs Buddy Landel
Buzz Tyler vs Barbatian
Superstar Billy Graham vs Jimmy Valiant
Magnum T.A. vs Tully Blanchard

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I recently found this article about the Tuesday night TV taping in Sumter, SC on August 23, 1988. Unfortunately the only match result mentioned is Sting winning over Ric Flair.


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 Posted: Mon Jan 13th, 2014 05:11 am
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Here are some photos from the above TV taping in Sumter, SC.


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 Posted: Wed Jan 22nd, 2014 02:09 pm
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Bumping so I can continue researching Brad Armstrong's career.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 26th, 2014 12:47 am
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Complete card for February 16, 1986 in Charleston, SC.

 

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I am back home from the Mid Atlantic area where I have been researching for the past 3 weeks. I am home basically cause I am just tired of researching and sitting behind microfilm reader machines, and visiting libaries who feel there microfilm is the Holey Grail and you cant touch it. "we have to load it for you" "Do not print anything out, let us know when your ready to print". I'm like then dont go anywhere, cause I am not here to sit around, I have my dates and etc. Then they get anoyed at you cause you went through a reel of microfilm in less than 5 minutes. "You can only have one reel at a time".  Then there was the lady in Raleigh was a total waste of space and life itself. "I have to load your microfilm for you" so she loads it and is fighting with it to try to load it manually on the take up reel for like a minute or two. I say to her, "excuse me your doing it wrong. See this little blue button, push and hold it, it loads it to the take up reel for you in 3 seconds." She got annoyed at me by the way she exhaled and looked at me.  Then she wouldn't turn on the computer there that would put out the scanned object to a USB stick, nor would it print.  She says " I will be back in a few minutes to set it up", and never came back.  So I got up and left after 20 minutes cause she was to busy on her cell phone at the desk.

And speaking of the South... What is wrong with people in South Carolina? Do they not go outside to do anything? Are they all hermits? Conway, Sumter, Marion and etc... You dont see anyone outside in the day time hardly. They all recluses? I mean it isnt like it was 30 degrees outside. I am talking the warmer days in the 60's.

I have gained 60 new graham matches from the mid atlantic area, found another 148 dates that are not here in the mid atlantic thread for 1985. And I still have holes that could probably take another 30 to 60 dates easilly to fill, to make the 2 cards per nights that they held. With the expansion into the georgia territory created 3 cards per night almost it seems.

Advertising wrestling in the Mid Atlantic area sucks. Georgia sucks with papers, as i researched Albany, Athens Columbia, none carried the results. Many cities apparently relied on TV and I am assuming posters. Marrieta, GA and Savanna to mention two Georgia cities. New Bern, NC is the same way. Couldnt find anything on advertising for upcoming shows. Found a result picture for New Bern, NC for October 30, 1985 by accident while looking for a November 7, 1985 Trenton, NC card. All it was was a picture stating they just held wrestling in New Bern on the 30th. Not one single lineup or result. The Picture shows Manny Fernandez on top of The barbarian. So was it a single smatch, or was it a tag team match? Abdullah The butcher, Rock N Roll Express, and the Russians were there the paper said.

When everything is typed up, scanned in, and I am ready to post my stuff.  I think I will just start a new topic for Mid Atlantic for 1985.  So many dates are wrong in that thread for 1985.  So many line ups/results are not even acurate when they take the main event tag team match and turn it into one singles match, even though the promo states it is a tag match, and the results are there for the tag match. Yet our thread here shows a single match and the other two participants have totally dissapeared. 

To much copying and pasting from other sites.  To many sites jsut accept what you give them, and they add it with no checking or anything.  Hell i could finish my website tonight if I did that.  I have a list of cities I know Graham was in, but I am holding off for some form of validation that he was indeed there.  But some sites it just does  not matter apparently if the card or dates are even acuarate.  I am not even going to attempt to try to correct them sites anymore.


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April 9, 1986  California, PA @ Hamer Hall The reason I went with this date is the article and photos appeared in the Sunday April 13, 1986 paper. The article clearly stated that the matches took place last Wednesday. I know this is in conflict with other shows already posted here. If I have the date wrong, please correct me.

The paper covered 3 of the matches.

Midnight Express vs. Rock 'N Roll Express...... Don Kernodle vs. Teijho Khan.......... Sam Houston vs. Black Bart. The attendance was reported as "more than 3,500 people".

 

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CW Hall wrote: April 9, 1986  California, PA @ Hamer Hall The reason I went with this date is the article and photos appeared in the Sunday April 13, 1986 paper. The article clearly stated that the matches took place last Wednesday. I know this is in conflict with other shows already posted here. If I have the date wrong, please correct me.

The paper covered 3 of the matches.

Midnight Express vs. Rock 'N Roll Express...... Don Kernodle vs. Teijho Khan.......... Sam Houston vs. Black Bart. The attendance was reported as "more than 3,500 people".


I have not done research into 1986 unless it was for a Graham booking that was made out in advanced, and they still advertised him right up till the day of the show.

Conflicts.  I have learned this over the years while dealing with research into uncovering aditional material to verify results.  If we did not research it ourselves then how do we know it is true?  Just because it was on the internet on different sites, and different people pass that same date around even today, does not make it a accurate date.  Being published in more than one book also does not make it correct.  Even the wrestling dirt sheets of the times can be so blatantly wrong for what was handed to them from correspondants.  Robert Fields and Robert Collins in the Joe Shedlock results bulletins should have there fingers broken for what they reported happened in 1976 in Florida.

I am asuming that you are conflicted because of the dates given by "The Midnight Express and Jim Cornette 25th Anniversary Scrap book"?

Just because it came from that book does not mean it is a solid guaranteed date.  The year of 1985 is wrong in that book. That I can prove very easilly, so why couldnt the year of 1986 be wrong also?  I have learned from a recognized historian that all may not be as it appears. That even his stuff was wrong and that person even finaly admitted to me that they didnt even do the reasearch for what they got part of there reputation from.  They took the vast majority of someone elses work, and added a little to it. That person still to this day allows everyone to think he did the work and that it is all good.  Sadly to me, my corretions and additions are now included in it with no reference to me at all.  Like it is all his work, when such a minute amount of it is his in reality. And he is praised by some for being a historian...

I'd keep your date as you have it now.  I would make a notation on how and why you came upon that date.  I would then research Raleigh, and the dates and cities near that time period.

A few possible theories for you.

1. April 2nd is the correct date.  The newspaper just did not run the story on April 6, 1986 as they intended.  They ran out of space or for what ever reason that they did not print it as intended.  It is a newspaper after all.   I have found results already in newspapers a month after a show took place.

2. The California and the Raleigh dates are reversed in Cornettes book.

3. The Raleigh date could not even be on that date at all.

I say this from experience of breaking down 1985.  So many Spartanburg and Greenville and Raleigh cards did not take place in 1985 as is listed here in these forums.  The Greenville paper is running adds stating that there is no wrestling, but to continue watching wrestling on TV and listing the next date for live wrestling weeks and weeks away.  Yet we show cards happening, when they didnt.  Spartanburg even listed on there box add that the auditorium is being renovated, yet the listings here in the forums imply that the cards kept happening, when they didnt. 

I like your results and everything you do here CW.  You research stuff, gather clippings for authentication. I am sure you will get to the bottom of it.   :cool:

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Thanks Ron. I appreciate all the work you do. I learned a great lesson about results from Johnny Weaver back in 2007. He brought a ton of his stuff to Rocky Mount,Va with him that I went through on a Saturday night and Sunday morning. I took some of the stuff home with me. He had copies of some of the old Becker and Weaver Fan Club newsletters. I also went through his daily records from 1968-74. 1968 was the earliest he still had. What I found was that some of the stuff from the newsletters and newspaper clippings I had did not match what was in his records. But the matches of his that I had actually witnessed did match what was in his records.

What I gathered from this was that at least some the stuff sent in to the newsletters was wrong and some even phony. Maybe the fans providing the info made honest mistakes and others thought "who will ever know the difference". I always knew that the folks writing for the newspapers got things wrong at times. So about the best we can do is try to determine a correct date and who was supposed to be there unless we were there ourselves.

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I do not have a time frame yet. Might be a few weeks. But if you would like, I could do a little research into that date for you. I do not know which newspaper you looked at to get the clippings you have. Did you attempt a search of a neigboring newspaper? Sometimes a smaller neighboring newspaper would carry a add or write up or even the results. If you wanted me to I could attempt to look things up. I live near Harrisburg, PA. The state library is like 20 minutes from me. They have a lot of small newspapers in the California, PA area. I am asking first because I do not wish to step on other peoples toes with there research.

I am working on 1985 in the mid atlantic area. Attempting the impossible. The entire year for the mid atlantic, with all the small towns. Attemting to get all the Georgia stuff when they merged will be harder, if not impossible. They didnt advertise in papers for some places. So I am sticking mainly to the home base, and filling in the Georgia territory as I find stuff.

If you need anything researched for the mid atlantic area drop me a PM sometime, and I will see what I can do on my next trip out.

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Oh and since I brung it up above. In Cornettes book, July 30, 1985 Jasper, GA .. That date is wrong. They had July 30th off and did not work. Not sure how it happened, but they put that date in wrong. The actual date is August 30, 1985 Jasper, GA. Same lineup and same results. But they got if off by a month. so if you correct that in his book, and then look at there days off in July and August, it will now makes sense. When i looked at his book the fist time, that stuck out at me like a sore thumb. The end of July and August. But then I researched for my stuff, and found that the book was incorrect. Now after the correction of the wrong dates, the days off now work correctly.

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Thanks Ron. I got the article and photos from the Observer-Reporter on the Google news archives. I went back more than two weeks in the paper looking for an ad but did not find one. I don't have Jim Cornette's book.

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August 19, 1986 in Greenwood, SC.

 

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Here are a couple of main events at tv tapings that were not listed earlier the thread.

6/17/86 Greenwood, SC - Ric Flair & Tully Blanchard vs. Rock & Roll Express

7/22/86 Greenwood, SC - Ole & Arn Anderson vs. Rock & Roll Express

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Have either of you guys got your hands on any of the old Ric Flair fan club newsletters? I got a handful of them years ago, but cannot find them now. Might be stuck in storage, but I recall in a few issues it had clippings for cards in Jacksonville NC at the High School. I was never able to verify but I recall the main for one was Dory Jr vs Flair.

I believe it was White Oak or White Plain High School. My GF at the time went to the high school when she was younger.



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