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 Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 04:04 pm
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Is there some giant spreadsheet that Clawmaster and others use offline to run database queries and reports?

Does every match result thread I see posted come from there or does someone enter the matches in the database after they get posted?

Is it related to

Is Graham's TheHistoryoftheWWE's site used?

How much more grunt work needs to be done (besides the constant search for results)?

Does Matt Farmer work with different data? He seems to solely feed Dave Meltzer his data, and Dave will analyze it to get "best draw" lists for the WON HOF or historical lists. Does he collaborate?

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 Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 05:35 pm
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I think the only person I know of who uses spreadsheets is the Austrian Gernot Freiberger and it's kinda Catch-centric.

I think the threads here are the result of transcriptions of either other peoples work, mostly in form of newsletters, or of one's own research.

Speaking of newsletters, apparently Jason Campbell at has been uploading more files recently. Not sure if he is done with it, maybe he wants to announce the details in another thread.

The two guys from on this board are fantasmagori and me. We are responsible for the overwhelming majority of old school entries there, so if one spots one of our many errors please tell us so. Today we've reached the 250k show mark so that is neat *yay*

If I'm not mistaken activity at Graham Cawthon's site has dwindled quite a bit in the last few years. I'm not sure how many years of his I have already gone through too many times. But that is necessary

By my estimation just for the WD shows (oh there is more, like German show reports, we started in 2001 as the German site I have invested a year of full time work. But whenever we are contacted by relatives of 1930s workers I feel that it wasn't a waste of time. And especially since WD has gone online we have received a steady stream of messages.

I'm not exactly sure what Matt Farmer has used for his files (mainly Washington State afaik). It is to be assumed that JMK has been the foundation of his files. Maybe he can chime in.

It would actually be interesting to know where Farmer nowadays get's most of his new 10k list entries. Hopefully our feature is a help, but wrestling attendance figures are often enough few and far between to find.

Personally, as I have been part of a database I am now a bit more aware of the advantages and disadvantages. In a way we are more blessed than our main competition at Cagematch (also originally German, maybe that's the Prussian influence ;) ) as they are likely to be limited. For instance, I think that for their 7th Mr. X they have to use "Mr.+X+++++++", a plus for each Mr. X they currently have.
Compare that to the number of Mr. X's we currently have. And I would say that at any given time it would also be the number of instances where the identification will never be known.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 09:21 pm
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I use notepad and Microsoft Word. For some reason, notepad makes it easier for me to copy and paste cards on this particular board.

Here's my story. I was writing an AWA historical column for Kayfabe Memories several years ago. I wanted to be factually correct with dates and such so I started buying record books from people like Jim Melby and Scott Teal. Once I switched over from WebTV to a personal computer, I began typing out my match results listings and copy and pasting listings from all over the net. I soon became known as a collector of results. People started sending me stuff. It spiraled from there.

What we try to do here is share our stuff and weed out stuff that is wrong.

"We are the priests
Of the temples of syrinx
Our great computers
Fill the hollowed halls
We are the priests
Of the temples of syrinx
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 Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 10:29 pm
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My results come from a wide variety of research. Either done by myself or guys like clawmaster, JMk, etc. I share some of my info with Dave (and let him come to his own conclusions) mostly because he asks, and I believe that his newsletter will stand the test of time when it comes to the history of wrestling. I've shared my work with many other people.

I started collecting results before I was ever on the internet, in fact I would say Mike Rodgers of Ring Around the Northwest got me interested initially. J Michael Kenyon was a big influence too. And I knew both of them before the net. Now days I get my info from a circle of long time researchers from around the world, some of my contacts in Mexico, Europe and Africa have never ever read an Observer but we share info.

When I did start collecting I would spend hours going through micro film at different libraries. Most of my early work came from this, even to this day I will occasionaly go through some.

Kinda reminds me of the old tape traders or fan clubs that were out there. Many of us have been doing it for so long we freely share info, but also respect the others work enough not to blast it out there without giving credit where it's due.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 02:27 am
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I have amassed a sizable database of results but I limit myself to the U.S. and to the years 1964 through 1973. That was my "golden age" and believe's enough! This board has been a great resource but like Claw, I've scoured record books, programs, old results sheets, ebay items along with newspaper clippings. I love collecting the results and discovering that this guy was also this other guy at one time or another. Lots of hours but lots of fun.

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