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 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 10:10 am
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This may not be a great way to decipher anomalies, but it might get people to look at results more closely to see if they can find explanations for one off bouts with decisive finishes listed as concurrent during a time one of the wrestlers is known to be touring Japan, Australia, Europe or something where it is unlikely they would fly stateside and work one match.

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 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 10:13 am
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Example:
08/29/82 Roanoke,Virginia
Jack Brisco beat Sgt. Slaughter by DQ


Sarge started a Japanese tour on 08/27/82 and finished up on 09/23.   

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Dominic DeNucci 1968 conflicts
In Japan on tour April 5 to May 17, working most every day, yet. ...
April 8-Hershey Park, PA  DeNucci draw Hans LoftierApril 9-Philadelphia, PA  DeNucci & Bruno Sammartino best Toru Tanaka/Bull Ramos by DQApril 27- Baltimore, MD DeNucci & Bruno beat Mortier & Tanaka

DeNucci tours Australia May 23-August 23, but...
July 26- Pittsburgh, PA. DeNucci beat Bill RamosJuly 31 Pittsburgh TV air date. DeNucci & Bruno beat Lou Albano & Tony Altomare

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Weren't some of the Japanese/European tours kayfabed?



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Possibly for storyline purposes but usually a wrestler was booked someplace else to explain their departure, as time bears out with more results found. In the Slaughter and DeNucci examples, there are cards posted which I don't think are fabricated for entire tours. More likely is the statewide one off bouts had a substitute for these guys, or the date itself is incorrect. As always, research can be an inexact science.

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I have a suspicion that some of the old results collectors from years ago sometimes made up results of cards where they only knew the lineup. There is also the issue that the results from the newspapers were often given to the newspapers from someone in the office. For papers that only printed results, they may only have said who won.



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Kriss wrote: I have a suspicion that some of the old results collectors from years ago sometimes made up results of cards where they only knew the lineup. There is also the issue that the results from the newspapers were often given to the newspapers from someone in the office. For papers that only printed results, they may only have said who won.  Agreed.
I know of at least 3 Chicago main events that I personally attended that were reported differently. I think the results guy may have been a big fan of the wrestler in dispute.
Clawmaster changed the results when I was able to give him proof.  Claw said that he would only overturn the results if I could prove it.
The funny thing is that I was there and the guy reporting it was probably 500 miles away.

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The correct date of the Hershey card is March 18. Likewise, DeNucci & Sammartino defeated Ramos & Tanaka in Philadelphia on March 9, not April 9. Not sure about Baltimore. Those Pittsburgh matches were probably TV taped.

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G’day All,

I appreciate the theme of this topic but I just wanted to reinforce One Fan Gang’s point that Dominic DeNucci was definitely wrestling in Australia on the dates of the two Pittsburgh results (26 July 1968 and 31 July 1968).

Here’s DeNucci’s results on and around those dates:

Friday 26 July 1968 at Sydney Stadium in Sydney, NSW, Australia
* Texas Death Match for IWA World Tag Team Title: Baron Scicluna & Cyclone Negro (Champions) defeated Dominic DeNucci & Mario Milano

Saturday 27 July 1968 at Melbourne Festival Hall in Melbourne, VIC, Australia
* Dominic DeNucci & Killer Kowalski defeated Dr Bill Miller & Cyclone Negro

Sunday 28 July 1968 at Melbourne TV Taping in Melbourne, VIC, Australia
* Dominic DeNucci defeated Baron Scicluna on Disqualification

Monday 29 July 1968 at Thebarton Hall in Adelaide, SA, Australia
* IWA World Tag Team Title: Dominic DeNucci & Mario Milano defeated Baron Scicluna & Cyclone Negro (Champions) on Disqualification

Wednesday 31 July 1968 at Brisbane Festival Hall in Brisbane, QLD, Australia
* IWA World Tag Team Title: Dominic DeNucci & Mario Milano defeated Baron Scicluna & Cyclone Negro (Champions) on Disqualification

Thursday 1 August 1968 at Brisbane TV Taping in Brisbane, QLD, Australia
* Dominic DeNucci defeated Baron Scicluna on Disqualification

Friday 2 August 1968 at Sydney Stadium in Sydney, NSW, Australia
* Dominic DeNucci defeated Roy Heffernan

Saturday 3 August 1968 at Sydney TV Taping in Sydney, NSW, Australia
* Dominic DeNucci defeated Mark Anthony

Cheers!

Ed

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The only time I see DeNucci & Sammartino facing Mortier & Tanaka close to this is Feb. 12, 1968 in Trenton.

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Midnight Express including in results from 1-20-88 in JCP card in Hawaii, even in the Observer, despite being in South Carolina that night.

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Do we know for a fact that the South Carolina result is correct? Could that be the incorrect result?

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Actually, having looked at the Hawaii results, forget that last post. There is a six man tag with the Midnight Express and Larry Zbyszko against the Rock & Roll Express and Barry Windham from that card. It is clearly wrong and is probably due to a mistake by Dave Meltzer at the time. The reason is everyone on the Hawaii card, apart from the locals on the undercard, was in Los Angeles the next night except the two tag teams. Windham and Larry are also on the Hawaii card in a separate singles match.


1/20/88 Georgetown, SC @ High School
Ron Garvin & Jimmy Valiant(sub for Sting) beat The Midnight Express by DQ
The Rock & Roll Express vs. The Sheepherders
Brad Armstrong vs. Mike Rotundo
Ricky Santana vs. Black Bart
?? Royal vs. Shaska Whatley
Tim Horner vs. Eddie Gilbert

1/20/88 Honolulu, HI @ Blasdell Arena
NWA World Champion Ric Flair beat Nikita Koloff
Dusty Rhodes beat Tully Blanchard
Lex Luger beat Arn Anderson
The Road Warriors beat The Warlord & The Barbarian
Barry Windham & The Rock & Roll Express beat The Midnight Express & Larry Zbyszko
Michael Hayes beat Kevin Sullivan by DQ
Barry Windham beat Larry Zbyszko
Farmer Boy Ipo beat Kinipopo
Super Fly Tui beat Mighty Milo

1/21/88 Inglewood, CA @ The Forum
NWA World Champion Ric Flair beat Michael Hayes
Dusty Rhodes beat Larry Zbyszko by DQ
Lex Luger beat Arn Anderson
The Road Warriors no contest with The Warlord & The Barbarian
Tully Blanchard draw Nikita Koloff
Kevin Sullivan beat Hurricane Kid
Barry Windham beat Samoan Tau

1/21/88 Chesterfield, SC
Jimmy Garvin & Ron Garvin beat The Midnight Express by DQ in a non-title match
Plus other matches

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They published a correction on the date for the card a couple of days later, saying the card was to be on Jan 20. I'm convinced some people send in made up results based on the advertised cards.

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I am not sure what to add to this. As good as Cornette is, mistakes can still happen. Talking with Cornette a few times on the Mid Atlantic era, I myself have showed him his book, and the mistakes in it. He even signed his book, "Thanks for finding my mistakes."

I tore apart the Mid Atlantic for 1985 visiting many small towns and gathering many unknown dates for the Mid Atlantic and the Georgia towns crocket took over. Last count I was at 780 different events for 1985. In doing this research my research did not line up with Cornette's. I showed him my research and he said mine was correct and his was wrong.

He had:
July 30, 1985 Jasper, GA
The Midnight Express beat Brett Sawyer & Italian Stallion.

When in fact it was:
August 30, 1985 Jasper, GA
Joe Lightfoot & Rocky king vs Mike Davis & Tommy Lane
The Midnight Express beat Brett Sawyer & Italian Stallion
Black Bart vs Pez Whatley
Buzz Sawyer & Dick Slater vs Arn Anderson & Kevin Sullivan

Mistakes happen. But my gut tells me for the original above topic, accept the South Carolina date as fact. His book might have dates wrong, but not cities. If they had been in Hawaii, Cornette would have had it documented with the gate $$.

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