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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 11:43 pm
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Wasn't Flair's first match on 12/10 in Rice Lake WI a 10 minute draw with George Gadaski?



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 Posted: Wed Nov 27th, 2019 12:29 am
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Matt Farmer wrote: Wasn't Flair's first match on 12/10 in Rice Lake WI a 10 minute draw with George Gadaski?
Yes, according to David's page on the Mid Atlantic Gateway site:
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12/10 Rice Lake, MN Ric Flair draw George 'Scrap Iron' Gadaski(10:00)--1st Professional Match

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It's not included this time, because that match may not be correct. The date and place do not match up, and I haven't found and confirmation of such a match.

Also, remember that this match remembrance came from Flair himself, and as we've since found out, his memory is kind of suspect.  Just ask Bruiser Brody...

Here's my rationale and a look at the schedule in that time period:
12/10/72 Minneapolis TV 
Ray Stevens beat Peter Lee
Dusty Rhodes & Dick Murdoch beat Caesar Pavlon & Armando Rodriguez
Wahoo McDaniel beat Bill Crouch
Reggie Parks beat Jose Quintero

12/10/72 Minneapolis, MN @ Auditorium
Superstar Billy Graham beat Wahoo McDaniel dq when Wahoo hit Graham over the head with a chair
Dusty Rhodes beat Don Muraco dq 10:21
Ivan Koloff beat Lani Kealoha via pin in 10:27
Ken Patera beat Rene Goulet via pin in 7:09
George Scott beat George Gadaski via pin in 12:22
Farmer Pete & Cowboy Lang beat Little Tokyo & Billy The Kid

12/11/72 Moline, IL @ Wharton Field House
Wahoo McDaniel beat Superstar Billy Graham
George Scott drew Rene Goulet
Bob Bruggers beat Joe Scarpello
George Gadaski & Rene Goulet beat Bob Bruggers & George Scott

12/11/72 Rice Lake, WI @ High School
Ivan Koloff vs Don Muraco
Rene Goulet vs George Scott
Farmer Pete & Cowboy Lang beat Little Tokyo & Lord Littlebrook  
Ken Patera beat George Gadaski

December 10, 1972 was a Sunday, and it is possible that a show could have been held in Rice Lake Township, MINNESOTA which is 2.5 hours from Minneapolis, but is in the middle of nowhere and a very small town very unlikely to have professional wrestling this one and only time(I've never seen another show in that town, ever). 

What makes this interesting is that there WAS a show in Rice Lake, WISCONSIN listed as December 11(which I believe is wrong as Gadaski was in Moline that Monday night), and featured George Gadaski losing to Ken Patera.  Also, Gadaski was on the Minneapolis card the previous day, which in itself would not preclude him from appearing in Rice Lake Township because he drove the ring truck. 

Until documented proof is found, I'm of the opinion that there are too many items against it.  I think Rice Lake, WISCONSIN should be Saturday Afternoon, December 10, and Flair has misrepresented himself as being there with his training/running partner at the time, Ken Patera.


The other thing I don't see is Flair getting a draw in his first professional match with ANYBODY.  Remember, he had already quit Gagne's training once, and Gagne never did favors for anyone of Flair's caliber in this time period.  We all forget he was not a star at any point in the AWA, let alone at the start of his career. 

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Yeah I am still searching for the result of the match between Ric and Carlos Colon in Puerto Rico the night Brody died. ;)

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 Posted: Wed Nov 27th, 2019 09:43 am
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FWIW, Ken Patera did an interview that his own debut was not the Goulet match on 12/10 but the night before in Willmar, MN. He describes it as a dress rehearsal of sorts before the "official" debut. Flair could have possibly done his debut on the Willmar card as well.

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We really should make a thread one day debunking the many wrestling myths (results related) that still persist. David is 100% to put a big asterisk next to Flair's first match. Sometime around the early 90s, people started filling in a lot of gaps in wrestling history with guesswork. Mostly 70s and 80s history. This is a period that was avoided by the serious wrestling historians, and suffers from a decline in wrestling coverage in newspapers, allowing charlatans to jump in with guesswork, kayfabe and the decidently unreliable source of the wrestlers themselves. This Flair record is very comprehensive, but is missing many of the thousand matches Flair says he had against Steamboat, for instance.



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we could spend all day debunking some of the stories Roddy Piper told. Hogan said he and Flair first wrestled each other in 1983. anyone found that result yet???? :)

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Spatulapup wrote: we could spend all day debunking some of the stories Roddy Piper told. :)

Haha. Yes we could. I was talking more from the results standpoint, as in the Flajr match. I'll post something about a famous Houston card this weekend to show the kind of thing I mean.



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Kriss wrote: Spatulapup wrote: we could spend all day debunking some of the stories Roddy Piper told. :)

Haha. Yes we could. I was talking more from the results standpoint, as in the Flajr match. I'll post something about a famous Houston card this weekend to show the kind of thing I mean.

didn't Roddy lie about his debut match? or was he telling the truth on that?

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Hogan must be confused about wrestling Flair in 83. Lol

He did face Harley Race for the NWA Title in St Louis on October 8th. He made a simple mistake!!!

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I believe the thing with Piper was that he disregarded his stuff on the "semi-pro" circuit. Which was actually a common thing, Thesz did the same with the small East St. Louis shows he worked initially. So if it didn't pay like a real job it was not regarded as "professional" wrestling. Not an outright lie, but still annoying.

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The book on Piper written by his kids spoke to the Hennig debut match not being accurate in one chapter, but it wasn't enough for me perusing it on the book stand to make the purchase. Greg Oliver may have a story about how Roddy's narrative was unwavering, too.

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Bob Orton Jr said Roddy was even lying about his age.

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I'm kid of surprised that with all the Japan footage available from the 70's that none of his matches from that 1973 tour have surfaced. You'd think at least one or two would have made their tv at the time. I suppose something could turn up someday.

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Thank you everybody who put this together, I am glad many of the holes in the research I did some 25 years ago have been filled!!

Also glad he was able to wrestle for 13 more years after I wrote the book LOL. I should try and update it one day.

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